Andrew Gaff

[samcantstandya 1,044]

50 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Interesting concept.... so we wait until Gaff nominates his club and then WC can match and then if the nominated club still wants him you trade.

No thanks ....the only trade we would consider that WC would be interested in would probably be Weideman. Given that Gaff is an RFA it just doesn't make sense to trade a top 22 player and it's not as though they are queuing up at Casey. Stretch maybe.

Fascinating

PS: I did not realise that WC would then lose it's compensatory pick..... Which of course is not worth as much to a top club... (doubly fascinating)

Keep the Weed they can have JKH & an a box of chocolates

 

[drdrake 3,162]

49 minutes ago, Win4theAges said:

I think it might be Kent used as bait.

West Coast don't need Kent, they have a couple of handy small forwards

[McQueen 17,864]

54 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Isn’t a major part of the attraction that he comes free?

Not if the Eagles match any clubs offer it isn’t. Remember he’s restricted. 

[YesitwasaWin4theAges 6,685]

13 minutes ago, drdrake said:

West Coast don't need Kent, they have a couple of handy small forwards

The Frenchman hasn't got long to go, the way the games going you can't have enough good small goal sneaks.

I like Kent in our forward line tho.

[Redleg 40,842]

6 minutes ago, McQueen said:

Not if the Eagles match any clubs offer it isn’t. Remember he’s restricted. 

But if they match the offer they lose their compo and would want something as good as Gaff. That is where the attraction would be lost.

[durango 2,005]

'Then we can walk away from the offer and West Coast have huge salary cap problems, we just don't fall into the trap of giving West Coast anything.

[DeeSpencer 25,477]

16 minutes ago, drdrake said:

West Coast don't need Kent, they have a couple of handy small forwards

Rioli and Ryan are good players close to goal and Cripps is a very decent defensive forward, but they do need some upgrades through half forward - replacing LeCras - depending on how confident they are with the likes of Waterman and Venables. More than anything I would've thought they need Gaff's outside run to compliment Shuey, Redden and Yeo. Sheed and Masten as the outside ball winners is no better than us using Jones and Tyson in those roles.

I've always thought Kent's best footy is played as an attacking link player, not close to goal, so maybe the Eagles have belief he can do that for them. Either way, he'd only be a very small trade, he has little value as is. 

It's hard to see a player we'd give up who has enough trade value to really entice the Eagles in to keeping the compensation and not matching the deal. Our best chance there is that the Eagles are fearful that we'd call their bluff if they matched the deal and to be honest I think that's not unreasonable. Their salary cap probably can't afford a huge Gaff contract and they know we have limited draft capital to trade. 

[TeamPlayedFine39 8,487]

2 minutes ago, durango said:

'Then we can walk away from the offer and West Coast have huge salary cap problems, we just don't fall into the trap of giving West Coast anything.

Exactly.

With McGovern resigning WCE may not be in a position to match a huge offer.  Darling, Kennedy, NicNat as well as signings like Redden and Jetta would all be taking up a lot of cap space.  They’ll need him to re-sign for quite a bit less than market value as they’ll struggle to ‘match’ it.

[SFebes 4,884]

Just now, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

Exactly.

With McGovern resigning WCE may not be in a position to match a huge offer.  Darling, Kennedy, NicNat as well as signings like Redden and Jetta would all be taking up a lot of cap space.  They’ll need him to re-sign for quite a bit less than market value as they’ll struggle to ‘match’ it.

Rumour has it WCE have offered 6 x $850,000, naturally I'm unsure if true.

NM have apparently offered 7 x $1.2m

[Diamond_Jim 12,548]

16 minutes ago, Redleg said:

But if they match the offer they lose their compo and would want something as good as Gaff. That is where the attraction would be lost.

not quite they would want something/ someone better than the comp they would be offered.

I think the comp is at best pick 18 assuming they finish 17... so call it a very high second rounder.

Other than Weideman I can't see anyone in that category that we and WC would even consider. Salem could be a possibility but hell I would hate to lose him.

Never realised it till now but the free agency system does in a madly perverse way favour the top teams both coming and "going".

Edited August 22, 2018 by Diamond_Jim

[McQueen 17,864]

20 minutes ago, Redleg said:

But if they match the offer they lose their compo and would want something as good as Gaff. That is where the attraction would be lost.

So are you thinking if we do get him it will be a very sizeable salary that gets it done?

We have some potential bait like Kent as a player but then our first round pick this year is the at the Crows and I very much doubt we'll want to trade out a first rounder 3 years running so it begs the question if Kent and a second + third round or something else is enough?

Essendon are in a similar position to us after bringing in the all of Smith, Stringer and Saad last year.

The only way I can see this happening is by blowing the Eagles out of the park with money. In which case all we need to do is pay more than Essendon if I'm reading this right?

Edited August 22, 2018 by McQueen

[daisycutter 29,604]

it all really depends if gaff wants to come to the dees

nothing happens until gaff  nominates his club of choice, it's not an auction as such

of course the  $$$s will form part of his decision making but there are other considerations. wherever he goes (or stays) he will be getting big money

if he nominates us then the best deal wc can get is the afl compo and as others have pointed out that may be good enough for them to get kelly from the cattery

[Thehardtackler 785]

Gaff may have nominated Melbourne as his club of choice. That would throw pressure on WC to deal or accept whatever compensation they get. 

Gaff may not want to play for North. Some players prefer a good work environment to silly money. 

[Superunknown 4,214]

20 minutes ago, durango said:

'Then we can walk away from the offer and West Coast have huge salary cap problems, we just don't fall into the trap of giving West Coast anything.

Super sneaky sabotage. I like it.

[Diamond_Jim 12,548]

21 minutes ago, durango said:

'Then we can walk away from the offer and West Coast have huge salary cap problems, we just don't fall into the trap of giving West Coast anything.

I'm sure the figures have to go through the AFL and they need to be assured that WC and the offeror can both fit the player within the salary cap.... this isn't bluff poker ( I hope)

[Moonshadow 17,675]

2 hours ago, Red and Blue realist said:

It could depend on where they finish, clearly Gaff will get them band 1, so if they end up in the grand final they'll get pick 20/21, with other free agent moves. Whereas if they bomb out in straight sets this could be pick 16/17, if he wants to go to Essendon then trying to get pick 9/10 out of them and a player might be easily accepted. 

If he wanted to come to us then they'd have to decide if it's worth just taking a pick between 16-21 or trying to force a trade for players plus lower picks this year or a first rounder next year (which will be in that band anyway), might all depend on what their thoughts are around needing to fill his gap this draft or wait until the year after. 

My understanding is the AFL can give a compo pick anywhere. It could be after their first pick, say 20 or 21, or they could just say mid 1st round, which would be about 9 or 10. 

[What 18,810]

16 minutes ago, SFebes said:

 

NM have apparently offered 7 x $1.2m

Find that hard to believe.. thats an insane offer.

If it is true he will 100% be going to North. 

[Redleg 40,842]

19 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

 

I think the comp is at best pick 18 assuming they finish 17... so call it a very high second rounder.

 

18 is still in the first round.

[SFebes 4,884]

Just now, Petraccattack said:

Find that hard to believe.. thats an insane offer.

If it is true he will 100% be going to North. 

North are desperate, didnt they offer Dusty and Josh Kelly astronomical amounts last year? And Polec $750,000 this year. We'll soon soon what his values are, if it's cash then good thing he doesn't come but it's his job and future also.

[Pennant St Dee 13,118]

Kim Hagdorn knows absolutely nothing and has no credibility 

[Redleg 40,842]

Let's throw in some other factors though they may mean little.

Gaff was a Dees fan.

Dees are on the up with a talented young squad.

He would automatically be our best outside mid.

If he played 100 games with us and had a son who was good enough, the son would be eligible to play in his home state with Dad's club.

Life membership of the MCC .

Play most games on the G.

Promise of good employment after footy with one of our financially strong supporters.

Good contract, though not the best available, but enough to make him financially secure.

He want's Redleg and his family cheering for him.

Edited August 22, 2018 by Redleg

[Thehardtackler 785]

Polec is worth no more than $600000. He is not as good a player as Angus Brayshaw. 

[Thehardtackler 785]

If Norf sign up players like Gaff for 1.2 and Polec for $800000, then how will they keep quality players like Cunnington, who will want their fair share? 

[Moonshadow 17,675]

1 minute ago, Thehardtackler said:

If Norf sign up players like Gaff for 1.2 and Polec for $800000, then how will they keep quality players like Cunnington, who will want their fair share? 

Jed Anderson is yet to recommit to Norf. Played 20 games and has done quite well this year. Might get squeezed out.

[old55 23,402]

If I was West Coast and Gaff nominated MFC I'd match and request a tall in trade.  Kennedy is close to retirement age and McGovern can play forward or back.  I think OMac, Frost and Weed would be in play if it was me.