If he still had a foot in the Eagles nest, I think they may have lost it now.

The strategy of trying to minimise Gaff’s culpability due to being provoked and the false claim that they played golf, may have actually irked the Gaff camp due to the likelihood it will result in a greater penalty than expected.

I’m predicting 10 weeks.

AFL asking 8-12.

 

  On 07/08/2018 at 07:46, Sir Why You Little said:

He could choose to say nothing and walk through the gate like regular folk  

 

Do regular folk have a pack of media following them ready to push and shove??? Poor analogy.

If I was a fellow passenger on that flight I'd be grateful that disruption at the gate was avoided.

  On 07/08/2018 at 08:19, Sir Why You Little said:

Lowered his position in about .5 of a second. I am sure it will be the Defence, but it should be treated as very flimsy

True, but is supported by the vision. And a truckload of character references. Plenty of remorse from Gaff too, to be fair.

I suppose it’s Gleeson’s job to paint as worst picture as possible and he’s doing it well.

  On 07/08/2018 at 08:31, Mach5 said:

If he still had a foot in the Eagles nest, I think they may have lost it now.

The strategy of trying to minimise Gaff’s culpability due to being provoked and the false claim that they played golf, may have actually irked the Gaff camp due to the likelihood it will result in a greater penalty than expected.

I’m predicting 10 weeks.

Funny you should say that - At the hearing Gaff said "I felt sick ... i was shattered. I never intended for this to happen. It was a time on the bench where you gather your thoughts and I was heartbroken. The coach talked to me and tried to keep me focussed on the rest of the game. I was rattled. I said to him 'mate I'm rattled'.

No compassion from Simmo for Brayshaw or Gaff which proabably wouldn't sit well with the Gaff camp either.  Eagles had the game won, there was no need for Simmo to 're-focus' him.

Edited August 7, 20186 yr by Lucifer's Hero

I think it's disgraceful Simpson even allowed him back on the ground. Not even just for the unfairness of the situation (Fremantle being a player down) but for the personal safety of Gaff thereafter. Not to mention his mental health! Any responsible coach would've pulled the pin as soon as he saw Gaff in tears, despondent on the bench. 

Just my opinion of course. 

  On 07/08/2018 at 08:39, Lucifer's Hero said:

Funny you should say that - At the hearing Gaff said "I felt sick ... i was shattered. I never intended for this to happen. It was a time on the bench where you gather your thoughts and I was heartbroken. The coach talked to me and tried to keep me focussed on the rest of the game. I was rattled. I said to him 'mate I'm rattled'.

No compassion form Simmo for Brayshaw or Gaff which proabably wouldn't sit well with the Gaff camp either.  Eagles had the game won, there was no need for Simmo to 're-focus' him.

I think Simpson did the right thing under the circumstances. He was short on options to be fair...

So he gets 10 weeks and plays his first game for us in round 4 or 5

Might just debut in the same game that Lever returns.

I can live with that

Reiterating what everyone here feels for Brayshaw, does anyone think that Collingwood or TWSNBN will be busting their boilers to jump the queue and grab him by hell or highwater and hang their loyal walking dead...............

  On 07/08/2018 at 08:44, McQueen said:

I think Simpson did the right thing under the circumstances. He was short on options to be fair...

That may be true but it probably won't endear Simmo to Gaff.  So I was using it as an example to add to Mach5's hint that the way WCE have handled this would make Gaff more likely to leave.

  On 07/08/2018 at 08:43, SaberFang said:

I think it's disgraceful Simpson even allowed him back on the ground. Not even just for the unfairness of the situation (Fremantle being a player down) but for the personal safety of Gaff thereafter. Not to mention his mental health! Any responsible coach would've pulled the pin as soon as he saw Gaff in tears, despondent on the bench. 

Just my opinion of course. 

Couldn’t agree more

  On 07/08/2018 at 08:38, Moonshadow said:

Do regular folk have a pack of media following them ready to push and shove??? Poor analogy.

If I was a fellow passenger on that flight I'd be grateful that disruption at the gate was avoided.

The regular passengers disembark first, it’s not hard. 

As a disabled traveller i have been last off planes for years. 

Gaff’s lawyer wants 3 weeks 

  On 07/08/2018 at 08:53, MSFebey said:

Gaff’s lawyer wants 3 weeks 

Sounds reasonable 

I think Gaff’s defence made a mistake arguing provocation as part of its case. Much better had he thrown himself on the mercy of the Tribunal.  

  On 07/08/2018 at 06:31, monoccular said:

I love Roos ❤️ and spot on here. 

Five weeks .... what, so, if the Eagles bravely battle through without their star mid, he can play in the GF?

Utter BS.  

However many weeks he gets it must be enough for him not to play again this season. 

A certain ex AFL player benefited from our softly softly judiciaries views on domestic violence it has just been reported.

Are you seriously suggesting that we should not have a defence force trained to do hard things (kill others) when necessary in the defence of our country? Or maybe you mean not letting them back into our society once they have put their lives on the line because they have been trained to kill bad people?  Just what do you mean?

I mean accidents happen, and sometimes out of our own will or control...  auto response can happen under sever pressure. 

And we know that gaff is under severe pressure.

 

 

No I don't like defence forces killing people, of any so-called side...  and I don't like whats is going on with the Palestinians.

 

2 wrongs do not add up to, "they deserved it".

It takes 2 to tango (fight).  And both are wrong;  unless one is first attacked and then defends,,, without attacking back.

 

Gaffs hit was accidental.   It happened, he didn't mean it. 

'fight and flight' mode happens, under great stress...    just as stress also brings on depression, often.

  On 07/08/2018 at 08:50, Sir Why You Little said:

The regular passengers disembark first, it’s not hard. 

As a disabled traveller i have been last off planes for years. 

So he should've got off with the regular folk, but he's not regular folk so should be last off?

There's more to getting through an airport than just the gate. As a disabled traveller you would know that. The media crush along the concourse, past the security points, along retail outlets could easily have become a safety issue. 

I'd say the airport did a risk assessment and concluded it would be better if Gaff did not go through the gate. They may also not want ugly airport images in the press to impact their reputation 

Anyway, moot point now. We disagree.

  On 07/08/2018 at 07:20, drysdale demon said:

I am one of those paid killers, so don't upset me or I will blow your computer up.

I'm only an amateur killer,  so lets meet we can 'kill bill' together then. I don't mind, if you don't.

 

... a good mate was returned SAS,  sniper,  god rest his soul... because he couldn't.

its all a mess.

Edited August 7, 20186 yr by DV8

Gaff's lawyers 'Great Gaffe' - Grace just said: "My submission is you should impose a penalty at the lower end of the range, which commences at three years... I mean three weeks."

OOps, that is a serious freudian slip!!

Edited August 7, 20186 yr by Lucifer's Hero

  On 07/08/2018 at 08:48, Lucifer's Hero said:

That may be true but it probably won't endear Simmo to Gaff.  So I was using it as an example to add to Mach5's hint that the way WCE have handled this would make Gaff more likely to leave.

I actually like the ruthlessness from Simpson and WC.

He’s a footballer, keep his head in the game, then after the game re-enforce he’s a good person and this is an accident in play, shield him from the media, make him feel totally supported and almost believe he wasn’t in the wrong.

He’s one of their best, make sure it stays that way. Let the AFL deal with all that integrity spin.

If the AFL is asking 8-12 weeks!

That’s means he will be given 10.

Gaff’s lawyer asking for time served. 

  On 07/08/2018 at 08:50, Sir Why You Little said:

The regular passengers disembark first, it’s not hard. 

As a disabled traveller i have been last off planes for years. 

He was most likely traveling Business Class so would have been one of the first off anyway. 

  On 07/08/2018 at 09:06, No10 said:

I actually like the ruthlessness from Simpson and WC.

He’s a footballer, keep his head in the game, then after the game re-enforce he’s a good person and this is an accident in play, shield him from the media, make him feel totally supported and almost believe he wasn’t in the wrong.

He’s one of their best, make sure it stays that way. Let the AFL deal with all that integrity spin.

Again, that is true.  I was referring to Gaff's reaction (none too happy with Simmo) and how it might affect his decision to stay or go.