Jump to content

Featured Replies

1 minute ago, Bobby McKenzie said:

Yes oh master! Whatever you say sir. McQueen made assumptions that the punch was not aimed at Brayshaw's face but his gut. Is this not defending his actions in some way?  Off your high horse mate.

Do you understand English?

Even if you are right (and you're not by a long way) there is a huge difference between providing a defence of someone's actions and condoning them.

Wow.

 
7 minutes ago, america de cali said:

6 to 8 years for manslaughter.

Wrong 

Happened on footy oval during game. Let Christian deal with it. Not. 

4 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

Do you understand English?

Even if you are right (and you're not by a long way) there is a huge difference between providing a defence of someone's actions and condoning them.

Wow.

Is there a huge difference?  I think not. You seem to be having trouble dismounting from your high horse.

 

Look he is going to cop his just desserts. People are pretty fired up about this today and rightly so. But I think there is only a set of people who can really comment and that is his family. Reading this article I couldn't imagine what his family had thought sitting there and seeing this happen to there son. Obviously Angus was a bit rattled to. 

https://www.news.com.au/sport/sports-life/his-mum-was-in-tears-emotional-scars-for-brayshaw-family-as-bad-as-physical-damage/news-story/326fefd325fd091dafe746d9850d0d0c

Let's simplify this - broke a players jaw in an off the ball incident. Therefore manifestly worse than Bugg's. Bugg got 6 weeks. 8 to 10 would be right.


40 minutes ago, radar said:

What if the punch killed the kid?

still 6 to 8?

If that happened (has it ever happened in any professional sport?) the AFL tribunal wouldn’t play any part. But most (if not all) one punch hits that cause death are as much to do with the person landing on concrete as it is the hit itself. 

Brayshaw wasn’t knocked out, he got hit on a soft part of the face. Half an inch lower and it’s quite possible he’d be playing this week. Again not defending Gaff but there’s always luck involved when it comes to any injury. 

Edited by Pates

1 hour ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

The image has been posted enough, I’m not sure what the purpose is of posting it again but zoomed in?

In relation to your above point, for police to be involved they need a victim to work with. Which means the player would have to make a complaint and provide a statement. I think this would be far from Andrew’s mind at the moment but he’d obviously be justified if he wanted to take it further. 

Thanks for putting it into reasonable context Ethan 

I'm sure we'll see that horrific photo at least another 10 times before they day is over. Though it's far from his mind ATM, I bet Andrew Brayshaw would be over the online analysis and hyperbole as well. 

 

Looked like a clean hit. You get these guys running around like badass faux tough guys pushing, shoving etc so there is always a touch of irony when they get put on their arse. Gaff looks like a great pick up next year if the price is right.

5 hours ago, Jaded said:

I agree, I don't think Gaff went out and thought "I'm gonna smash his jaw and break his teeth coz he's being a pest to me". I think he thought "you're an annoying [censored] I'm gonna hit ya a little because I'm having a brain fade moment and oh [censored] I just smashed you really hard and I am screwed". 

I feel for both of them, but bloody hell you look at poor Andrew and you just feel sick. To hear his mum was crying in the rooms just breaks your heart, when you think what Gus went through and that she has another kid in the army. I heard on radio this morning that she'd had to take on some counselling to help her deal with the Gus situation, and now this. FFS my heart really breaks for her! 

This will no doubt have long lasting ramifications on Gaff, his confident, his demeanour, the way he is perceived by the wider footy community, and no doubt his future and asking price. 

I would still welcome him to our club, but as stated previously, I would hope the club looks into the mental impact this will have on Gaff, on Gus (I'm sure he will be OK with it) and as a general look for our club. We were very hard on Bugg and he has barely played since (although he is a poor player which doesn't help), so how do we proceed should we get Gaff without looking hypocritical? 

Well said. 


59 minutes ago, Bobby McKenzie said:

Is there a huge difference?  I think not. You seem to be having trouble dismounting from your high horse.

How is Jack Watts doing this year?

2 minutes ago, MSFebey said:

4 from one coach and 0 from the other 

Simpson standing by his player.

Not sure it's smart but very different approach to how Bugg was handled by MFC.


7 minutes ago, MSFebey said:

4 from one coach and 0 from the other 

Where did you get that breakdown MSF?

If the tribunal is consistent, then the penalty has to be more than what Bugg received.  Mills didn't play out the game, but did play the following week.  Buggy got 6 weeks for that.

Brayshaw is done for the season.  Gaff should get something in the realm of 7-8 weeks for it, but I'd be surprised if the tribunal went that hard.  Not because I don't think he deserves it, but more so because I just can't see them having the guts to do it.

2 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

Where did you get that breakdown MSF?

The coaches press conferences moonie ?

fair chance though I reckon as he was pretty much BOG

11 minutes ago, No10 said:

Simpson standing by his player.

Not sure it's smart but very different approach to how Bugg was handled by MFC.

Ours was the correct approach. The WCE have form, knowingly allowing drug takes to continue playing, allowing players to consort with criminals, attacking a Brownlow medialist verbally to the point he almost quit the game and then cheering on Gaff after the hit on Sunday. The  actions of WCE club and supporters carry no weight IMO.

Edited by old dee

1 minute ago, MSFebey said:

The coaches press conferences moonie ?

fair chance though I reckon as he was pretty much BOG

I believe MSF is right as it's the only mathematical possibility.

5Yeo
5Yeo
4Gaff
4Redden
3Redden
3Cripps/Sheppard
2Sheppard/Cripps
2Darling
1Sheppard/Cripps
1Lycett

Just now, old dee said:

Ours was the correct approach. The WCE have form, knowing allowing drug takes to continue playing, allowing players to consort with criminals, attaching a Brownlow medialist verbally to the point he almost quit the game and then cheering on Gaff after the hit on Sunday. The  actions of WCE club and supporters carry no weight IMO.

Agree in part- giving 4 votes is a very poor message. However I thought we should've supported Bugg better.

If I were Gaff, I'd be inclined to stay at WC. For the MFC, I don't think we have the culture to support him after this. Maybe this was Simpson's thinking.

Will be interesting to see if they mount a defense.
Andrew did sharply pull away as Gaff swung, which meant arm contact instead became fist contact. Could go to intent.

Simpson should be ashamed of himself. 

Awarding Gaff votes yesterday...

Jesus H. They really do run their own ship over there. 

 
1 minute ago, No10 said:

Agree in part- giving 4 votes is a very poor message. However I thought we should've supported Bugg better.

If I were Gaff, I'd be inclined to stay at WC. For the MFC, I don't think we have the culture to support him after this. Maybe this was Simpson's thinking.

Will be interesting to see if they mount a defense.
Andrew did sharply pull away as Gaff swung, which meant arm contact instead became fist contact. Could go to intent.

How did the MFC treat Tom Bugg badly?

What should they have done better. 

These comments fascinate me, do the crime....

Bugg is lucky to still have a contract

1 minute ago, No10 said:

Agree in part- giving 4 votes is a very poor message. However I thought we should've supported Bugg better.

If I were Gaff, I'd be inclined to stay at WC. For the MFC, I don't think we have the culture to support him after this. Maybe this was Simpson's thinking.

Will be interesting to see if they mount a defense.
Andrew did sharply pull away as Gaff swung, which meant arm contact instead became fist contact. Could go to intent.

You are guessing, the only fact we have is that he hit him in the mouth with a clenched fist which resulted in a broken jaw and damaged teeth.

All the rest in conjecture.

Buggs was a stupid act which could have had far worse result.

Were the Dees fans cheering Bugg on after the hit?

No of course not because it was a stupid and a dangerous act, any other response is condoning the act. 


Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Unfortunately, your content contains terms that we do not allow. Please edit your content to remove the highlighted words below.
Reply to this topic...

Featured Content

  • REPORT: North Melbourne

    I suppose that I should apologise for the title of this piece, but the temptation to go with it was far too great. The memory of how North Melbourne tore Melbourne apart at the seams earlier in the season and the way in which it set the scene for the club’s demise so early in the piece has been weighing heavily upon all of us. This game was a must-win from the club’s perspective, and the team’s response was overwhelming. The 36 point win over Alastair Clarkson’s Kangaroos at the MCG on Sunday was indeed — roovenge of the highest order!

    • 4 replies
  • CASEY: Werribee

    The Casey Demons remain in contention for a VFL finals berth following a comprehensive 76-point victory over the Werribee Tigers at Whitten Oval last night. The caveat to the performance is that the once mighty Tigers have been raided of many key players and are now a shadow of the premiership-winning team from last season. The team suffered a blow before the game when veteran Tom McDonald was withdrawn for senior duty to cover for Steven May who is ill.  However, after conceding the first goal of the game, Casey was dominant from ten minutes in until the very end and despite some early errors and inaccuracy, they managed to warm to the task of dismantling the Tigers with precision, particularly after half time when the nominally home side provided them with minimal resistance.

    • 0 replies
  • PREGAME: Carlton

    The Demons return to the MCG as the the visiting team on Saturday night to take on the Blues who are under siege after 4 straight losses. Who comes in and who goes out?

    • 143 replies
  • PODCAST: North Melbourne

    The Demonland Podcast will air LIVE on Monday, 14th July @ 8:00pm. Join Binman & I as we dissect the Dees glorious win over the Kangaroos at the MCG.
    Your questions and comments are a huge part of our podcast so please post anything you want to ask or say below and we'll give you a shout out on the show.
    Listen LIVE: https://demonland.com/

      • Like
    • 27 replies
  • POSTGAME: North Melbourne

    The Demons are finally back at the MCG and finally back on the winners list as they continually chipped away at a spirited Kangaroos side eventually breaking their backs and opening the floodgates to run out winners by 6 goals.

      • Love
      • Like
    • 251 replies
  • VOTES: North Melbourne

    Max Gawn has an almost unassailable lead in the Demonland Player of the Year Award followed by Jake Bowey, Christian Petracca, Kozzy Pickett & Clayton Oliver. Your votes please. 6, 5, 4, 3, 2 & 1

      • Like
    • 41 replies