Goodwin says Viney & TMac out for 6-8 Weeks

[chookrat 4,268]

19 minutes ago, picket fence said:

FURTHER INFO

What is PRP?

PRP (Platelet Rich Plasma) injections are natural injections consisting of components of your own blood that has been enriched with platelets. A rapidly growing treatment PRP utilises the body’s natural inflammatory process to assist the growth and repair of soft tissues such as: tendons, ligaments, fascia, skin and muscle.  Platelet Rich Plasma (PRP) is the fluid part of the blood which contains all of the 'band-aid' cells (the Platelets), and contains several different growth factors and other proteins that stimulate healing and attract the critical assistance of stem cells. 

 

Some tissues in the body have a poor blood supply or respond poorly to excessive load and ultimately fail to heal naturally. PRP therapy utilises the healing properties in blood to allow a healing reaction to occur in a tissue that is not healing on its own. Our blood has small granules called “platelets” and these contain special growth factors that when released, allowing stem cells in the particular tissue to switch on and then cause new tissue to be synthesized and heal an injured or degenerated area.

 

The goal of PRP therapy is to resolve pain and increase mobility through healing. It is completely natural and can prove to have long lasting results.

Platelet Rich Plasma (PRP) has been used overseas for many years, however it is fairly new to Australia and even more so to the general public. Platelet Rich Plasma (PRP) treatment in Melbourne & Australia was first introduced as a treatment for elite athletes but is now available to assist anyone 

The technique

PRP involves taking your own blood, which is taken from your arm just like a normal blood test, the blood is then spun in a centrifuge which is a machine designed to separate the blood into two components. The bottom layer contains most of the red blood cells, while the top layer is mostly plasma and platelets. The top layer, the platelet rich plasma, is then activated and injected into the affected area immediately after the blood has been taken. Injections can be performed with or without guided ultrasound. 

What can PRP treat?

PRP therapy can be used for several types of injuries and ailments, including:

 

· Knee arthritis 

· Arthritis, particularly osteoarthritis

· Joint pain & joint damage

· Knee pain, injuries 

· Hip pain, injuries & arthritis

· Muscle tears

· Degenerative conditions

· Bursitis

· Ligament, tendon and fascia injuries

· Meniscus and cartilage tears

· Nerve injury

· Tendonitis

· Tennis elbow & golfers elbow

· Foot & ankle pain and injuries

· Carpal tunnel syndrome

· Plantar fasciitis

· Rotator cuff injuries

· Sports or work injuries

When compared to cortisone injections, PRP shows better results over a longer period of time. While the effects of cortisone are rapid, they are often followed by a decline in condition and can actually cause further tissue damage. PRP, however, shows slower but greater long term improvements, less injury recurrence and no side-effects.

Could we perhaps consult with Shane Carter? He was able to help James Hird overcome major foot issues and might have some different methods to what our medicos are faniliar with. 

[Guest]

12 hours ago, picket fence said:

 

Cortisone?? 

Now I am worried!

Just wondering what your credentials are?

You seem to be very learned on medical matters.

[Jaded No More 68,972]

26 minutes ago, picket fence said:

FURTHER INFO

What is PRP?

PRP (Platelet Rich Plasma) injections are natural injections consisting of components of your own blood that has been enriched with platelets. A rapidly growing treatment PRP utilises the body’s natural inflammatory process to assist the growth and repair of soft tissues such as: tendons, ligaments, fascia, skin and muscle.  Platelet Rich Plasma (PRP) is the fluid part of the blood which contains all of the 'band-aid' cells (the Platelets), and contains several different growth factors and other proteins that stimulate healing and attract the critical assistance of stem cells. 

Have had these done, and they did jack sh*t. They hurt like hell too.

How about we leave the experts to trying to resolve these issues. McDonald has been relatively injury free for a long time, and I am sure his toe issue will be managed and resolved sooner rather than later.

Viney clearly has some sort of mechanical foot issue that needs solving. If it takes a year then so be it, he is at the very start of his career and is too important to risk. 

[whatwhat say what 22,931]

cortisone is one of the most common treatments for pain and inflammation

i wonder whether t mac has a case of turf toe, perhaps caused by pushing off repeatedly when running or jumping for ruck contests?

 

[sue 9,136]

13 hours ago, picket fence said:

I just heard that Goodwin has stated that both players had some CORTISONE INJECTIONS during the week. Cortisone???

Seriously??

Cortisone is nothing more than a Band-aid, it masks the pain and does NOTHING to actually rehab the problem.

Current thinking includes PRP injections ( White Blood cells) harvested from your own blood and autologous blood injections guided by Ultrasound

Cortisone does nothing but mask pain, other problem is once you have a couple into same joint it actually can weaken the joint further.

Anyone else on  this site in the know will bear this out.

Cortisone?? 

Now I am worried!

Hang on before you blow a fuse. Cortisone is meant to reduce inflammation not directly reduce pain.   (Personally I found it didn't work, but I am a sample of 1)

Edited March 23, 2018 by sue

[Demonland 73,139]

 

[Deemania since 56 6,716]

20 hours ago, DV8 said:

Agreed, but this will shorten TMc's season; which in itself, is great for the latter part of the year, IMV.

 

Rnd-12 - 2017,  we were 6 wins - 24Pts, entering the bye.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_AFL_season#Ladder_progression

 

I feel sure we should surpass that.

http://www.melbournefc.com.au/Team/fixture-and-results

Great points, yet I am worried about the loss of TMac in the backline...he was getting very good down there. Oh, for a Stephen Icke!

[picket fence 17,495]

1 hour ago, Stretch Johnson said:

Just wondering what your credentials are?

You seem to be very learned on medical matters.

A Phys ed Background and have had Cortisone for injuries and it does give some relief  BUT I have found through experience that PRP /Autologous Blood injections are much more long lasting, and use the bodies natural products ( Blood)  to assist healing.I have had this procedure in  both knees, achilies and a type of plantar fascia injury. IMO and what do I know?? I just have a subjective view that PRP and other treatments seem to be more cutting edge than Cortisone.

Edited March 23, 2018 by picket fence

[Ethan Tremblay 30,963]

I’d prefer he takes time out and let’s it heal properly instead of masking the pain with injections. I’m sure he had enough injections last season. 

Edited March 23, 2018 by Ethan Tremblay

[Adam The God 30,404]

Hard not to be really disappointed about this. When are we going to get our best 22 on the park?

Hopefully, we can get them all there by the midway mark.

We really missed Viney's leadership last year.

I hope Tom's injury hasn't occurred due to mismanagement. I'll trust that it hasn't.

[ProperDee 1,698]

Sesamoiditis for Jack.

[Sir Why You Little 37,121]

18 minutes ago, ProperDee said:

Sesamoiditis for Jack.

Thought that’s what it is. 

Every time you walk,you load and stress it

[pinkshark 950]

On 22/03/2018 at 1:24 PM, Sir Why You Little said:

From someone who spent 31 years in the Media, 9 of those in a National Newsroom

Do not believe the media coverage when it comes to sport injuries/recovery’s

It is all spin. 

Today the Club had to tell the Truth. 

This has been brewing all summer, regardless of what the players “tell” Satyr at training, he will obviously believe anything he is told. 

I have had hip, leg and foot prroblems all my life and knew this wasn’t a quick recovery. Load bearing injuries are just that. As soon as you run again, there is massive stress. 

Whoever gave Viney the ok to play after 19 days of surgery had better find a new job, because they are a fool. 

For months this club played Trengove week after week with a Foot Injury until he was disabled, and we didn’t learn...

Goodwin’s ass is right on the line now, he is going to have to coach out of his skin this year to cover this mess

i hope he gets through it....

 

So true, and he put the wheels in motion for a loyal, classy, talented, resilient, durable and intelligent footballer coming into his prime, to leave.  Right now its all good because we say we have depth to cover losses.  I say bull$%!^.  I say we have had 12 months of poor leadership and poor decision making at the top.  This seasons struggle will confirm this.  

[beelzebub 23,382]

22 hours ago, Demonland said:

 

Mike isn't alone. 

I sense the bullshlt dept is working overtime again at the MFC 

[Sir Why You Little 37,121]

1 hour ago, pinkshark said:

So true, and he put the wheels in motion for a loyal, classy, talented, resilient, durable and intelligent footballer coming into his prime, to leave.  Right now its all good because we say we have depth to cover losses.  I say bull$%!^.  I say we have had 12 months of poor leadership and poor decision making at the top.  This seasons struggle will confirm this.  

I got no problems with Watts leaving

He was never going to reach his potential with us

[bing181 9,328]

8 hours ago, beelzebub said:

I sense the bullshlt dept is working overtime again at the MFC 

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Yes, because all injuries/pathologies follow exactly the same course, and all bodies respond to treatment in exactly the same way and because the club always knew exactly when Jack would be back but are keeping it from us.

[Jimcor2 125]

Is anyone else concerned that misleading medical reports might create opportunities for corruption with those in the know being able to provide accurate information to bookies or gamblers to give them an advantage while the rest of us have to accept what the club tells us?  Like most forms of gambling (including the stock market), winning often relies on accessing inside info and surely this is exactly what this is.  I am surprised that the AFL hasn’t taken action.  I am not sure why MFC medical  advices are so often proved optimistic (?) but one of the best ways to disappoint supporters is to raise expectations and then fail to deliver.  I really don’t understand why the more realistic updates are not released in a more timely fashion.

[Cards13 9,117]

Viney on the MFC podcast said he trained fully with Casey team and he felt "good sore" in the body, like he trained hard and well. He said he is 2 weeks away.. so probs 3-4 away.

[Satyriconhome 10,879]

On 3/24/2018 at 11:47 PM, Jimcor2 said:

Is anyone else concerned that misleading medical reports might create opportunities for corruption with those in the know being able to provide accurate information to bookies or gamblers to give them an advantage while the rest of us have to accept what the club tells us?  Like most forms of gambling (including the stock market), winning often relies on accessing inside info and surely this is exactly what this is.  I am surprised that the AFL hasn’t taken action.  I am not sure why MFC medical  advices are so often proved optimistic (?) but one of the best ways to disappoint supporters is to raise expectations and then fail to deliver.  I really don’t understand why the more realistic updates are not released in a more timely fashion.

Er because you are working with a highly tuned human body

Viney was looking a million dollars in rehab and both I and the Club said so, then the toe issue happened, he could probably rush back, that worked last time

As for Tommy Mc he had turf toe, again could have rushed back, yeah let's [censored] up a player who is just reaching his peak

Edited April 27, 2018 by Satyriconhome

[Satyriconhome 10,879]

On 3/24/2018 at 7:28 PM, bing181 said:

Yes, because all injuries/pathologies follow exactly the same course, and all bodies respond to treatment in exactly the same way and because the club always knew exactly when Jack would be back but are keeping it from us.

Excellent

[Satyriconhome 10,879]

11 minutes ago, Cards13 said:

Viney on the MFC podcast said he trained fully with Casey team and he felt "good sore" in the body, like he trained hard and well. He said he is 2 weeks away.. so probs 3-4 away.

Nah, touch wood and he doesn't get bitten by a dog, spoke to both him and Tommy Mc week or so ago, Jack has been 2 weeks behind Tommy Mc in rehab

[chook fowler 19,528]

This Club does my head in. Not sure if it is bad luck or incompetence. Hard to fathom that a player is named 1 day and then out for 6 weeks the next. Wonder what Smiling Dave Misson has to say.

[Diamond_Jim 12,627]

1 minute ago, chook fowler said:

This Club does my head in. Not sure if it is bad luck or incompetence. Hard to fathom that a player is named 1 day and then out for 6 weeks the next. Wonder what Smiling Dave Misson has to say.

not quite that bad Chook

this is an old thread and I believe Tom is still right to go this weekend and Jack V in a couple of weeks.

[chook fowler 19,528]

1 minute ago, Diamond_Jim said:

not quite that bad Chook

this is an old thread and I believe Tom is still right to go this weekend and Jack V in a couple of weeks.

My bad. Thanks for the info. Will reset the defibrillator.

[Cards13 9,117]

4 minutes ago, chook fowler said:

My bad. Thanks for the info. Will reset the defibrillator.

Sorry to scare you mate I just found the most recent thread without viney in the title, didn’t want to start a new one. 

Mad I mentioned above he said today he’s 2 weeks away.