Club update on both Viney and T Mac was not encouraging 

40 minutes ago, faultydet said:

I

 can see why those injuries lead to others.

 

give an inch take a foot?

3 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

give an inch take a foot?

Don't give a milly; they'll take a mile.

 

I hope our defence is up to the task.

8 minutes ago, DemonAndrew said:

Club update on both Viney and T Mac was not encouraging 

At least they've provided an update... I'm happier knowing Viney's issue is with his big toe rather than an innocuous bone in the middle of the foot.

23 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

Comedy Festival starting, I do know with Viney, like some others, but keep to myself, unlike some others, but Club has put out an update so everbody knows now

The plan was always Rd 1, why wouldn't it be, didn't work out that way

Nice to see the flat track bullies coming out of hiding to join in with your 'humour'

Right, so you ‘know’ and don’t choose to share, yet continue to post “he’s on track” 90,000 times, as a means to shut posters up who are continuing to question the nature of the injury.

Makes complete sense.

 

20 hours ago, Wiseblood said:

In all seriousness, I think they have just been overly cautious with it after what happened at the end of last season.  We can manage without him for a few weeks.

Hope you are right. 

Bloody bad luck though.

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Tom McDonald (toe) definitely won't play against the Cats on Sunday & will spend another 10 days "off legs". Jack Viney (toe) has again been delayed. No VFL this week and unlikely next week. AFL Round 4 now sounds optimistic. Otherwise healthy list, but they're 2 important parts

27 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

Comedy Festival starting, I do know with Viney, like some others, but keep to myself, unlike some others, but Club has put out an update so everbody knows now

The plan was always Rd 1, why wouldn't it be, didn't work out that way

Nice to see the flat track bullies coming out of hiding to join in with your 'humour'

But it was hilarious.

http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/2018-03-21/timeframe-tbc-for-mcdonald-viney

“Jack had started training with the group. As he was transitioning into boots, his big toe got a little bit sore and we’re very conscious that he’s had some soreness around that foot. Originally, he had the plantar fascia [injury] last year and then he had some bone soreness on his third toe. Now it’s his big toe, which isn’t significant, but again, it warrants us unloading him for a week to 10 days and then reloading him again.

The fact that Jack hasn’t done a lot of training with the group may mean that the reloading period needs to be a little bit longer. But again, we haven’t put a timeframe yet and we want Jack’s foot to feel good. We want him to feel good training in boots, before he plays a game.”

Summary: unload for a week or two, then reload for a week or two (or longer), then feel good training in boots before playing again (probably via VFL).

Sounds like its at least 3-4 weeks before a game (anywhere).  Sadly, can't see him playing vs Richmond ANZAC Eve.

Its good the club has stopped putting a time frame on his return to play - it just dashes expectations when it doesn't happen.

 

 

10 minutes ago, ProDee said:

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Tom McDonald (toe) definitely won't play against the Cats on Sunday & will spend another 10 days "off legs". Jack Viney (toe) has again been delayed. No VFL this week and unlikely next week. AFL Round 4 now sounds optimistic. Otherwise healthy list, but they're 2 important parts

Yep, but more important for the end of season, rather than early doors.

Keep them till they are cherries, ripe for the pickin'.

 

I want them firing on all 4's, ah, 2's, by the middle of the season when the going starts to get tougher.

 

We'll be needing all our experienced players firing, from July on-wards. 

Now is the time to get responsibilities shared out. Our 23 Yr olds need to stand up & be counted, hands up for the job.

9 hours ago, Clint Bizkit said:

A quote without context is useless.

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/afl/uncertainty-for-demons-as-viney-s-season-delayed-further-20180315-p4z4fr.html

 

46 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

Comedy Festival starting, I do know with Viney, like some others, but keep to myself, unlike some others, but Club has put out an update so everbody knows now

The plan was always Rd 1, why wouldn't it be, didn't work out that way

Nice to see the flat track bullies coming out of hiding to join in with your 'humour'

No, you don't.  You think you do, but you don't.  

Also, @Grapeviney's post was quite funny.  Why you can't see the humour in it is anybodies guess.

Edit - also, the Tom McDonald injury is further proof that you have no idea what you're talking about.  You've waffled on all summer that if they get any sort of niggle, they go into the rehab group.  T Mac had a problem with his toe prior to the JLT, he didn't go into rehab and made it worse.  Why wasn't he put in rehab like everyone else if he had a niggle?

 

10 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/2018-03-21/timeframe-tbc-for-mcdonald-viney

“Jack had started training with the group. As he was transitioning into boots, his big toe got a little bit sore and we’re very conscious that he’s had some soreness around that foot. Originally, he had the plantar fascia [injury] last year and then he had some bone soreness on his third toe. Now it’s his big toe, which isn’t significant, but again, it warrants us unloading him for a week to 10 days and then reloading him again.

The fact that Jack hasn’t done a lot of training with the group may mean that the reloading period needs to be a little bit longer. But again, we haven’t put a timeframe yet and we want Jack’s foot to feel good. We want him to feel good training in boots, before he plays a game.”

Summary: unload for a week or two, then reload for a week or two (or longer), then feel good training in boots before playing again (probably via VFL).

Sounds like its at least 3-4 weeks before a game (anywhere).  Sadly, can't see him playing vs Richmond ANZAC Eve.

Its good the club has stopped putting a time frame on his return to play - it just dashes expectations when it doesn't happen.

 

I would say we won't see him in AFL for a month. after a couple of gamnes in the VFL for recapturing fitness.

He's had an interrupted Pre season, as has TMc.   So they will be both low on fitness.

 

Again we should not have to rely on these 2, in the very early part of this season; we have a number of quality players to handle the job at hand.

But we will have to rely on them in the back half of the season.  That is when I want those two firing on all cylinders. fresh & hungry.

 

Time for the young gunners to stand and be counted, to actually do something.

As well as Jones, Lew, Vinnie, the Jet and Hibbo, can help steer the ship.

I would be surprised if we see him before mid year 

Won’t see Viney before round ten

34 minutes ago, stevethemanjordan said:

Right, so you ‘know’ and don’t choose to share, yet continue to post “he’s on track” 90,000 times, as a means to shut posters up who are continuing to question the nature of the injury.

 

Whats the point of his training reports if he is posting false information on here?

Claims he knows the extent of the Viney injury but is keeping it a secret...  yet he posts on here multiple times that Vineys right on track.

Credibility shot to pieces.   His reports are worthless.  'Fake news', you could say.

 

mIssing these two players for any extended period is bad ... to miss them in the first half of the season when we just have to win is disappointing to say the least.

Looks like Pederson has to get a game as the back up ruck.

10 minutes ago, DV8 said:

I would say we won't see him in AFL for a month. after a couple of gamnes in the VFL for recapturing fitness.

He's had an interrupted Pre season, as has TMc.   So they will be both low on fitness.

 

Again we should not have to rely on these 2, in the very early part of this season; we have a number of quality players to handle the job at hand.

But we will have to rely on them in the back half of the season.  That is when I want those two firing on all cylinders. fresh & hungry.

 

Time for the young gunners to stand and be counted, to actually do something.

As well as Jones, Lew, Vinnie, the Jet and Hibbo, can help steer the ship.

I agree we have a number of quality mids to cover Viney, not as high quality as Viney, but we should be able to cover for him.

Im more worried if TMac is out long term. As far as I can see the only other player who had played the role of 2nd forward/Ruck well at AFL level on our list is Pedo. It’s a lot of pressure on him and we really desperately need no injuries to him and Hoges. I know smaller forwardlines are in vogue post Richmond 2017 but I’d worry about the pressure on Hoges and Max if TMac and Pedo were gone at the same time. 

57 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

 I do know with Viney, like some others, but keep to myself, unlike some others, but Club has put out an update so everbody knows now

 

 

2 minutes ago, Petraccattack said:

...  yet he posts on here multiple times that Vineys right on track.

 

 He was "on track" until he started wearing boots and training with the main group. (as per club statement)

The likes of ANB, Salem and Petracca will have to fill the void and they will get there chance in the middle along with Hogan 

4 minutes ago, bing181 said:

 He was "on track" until he started wearing boots and training with the main group. (as per club statement)

Yeah but Saty claims he had some inside info about the seriousness of the injury that he was holding back.

 

Frost can also step up if needed. Battling for a spot. This might be a chance for him to step up. I'd back him and Pedo in. 

I assume that no news on Oliver means he is playing ??

38 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/2018-03-21/timeframe-tbc-for-mcdonald-viney

“Jack had started training with the group. As he was transitioning into boots, his big toe got a little bit sore and we’re very conscious that he’s had some soreness around that foot. Originally, he had the plantar fascia [injury] last year and then he had some bone soreness on his third toe. Now it’s his big toe, which isn’t significant, but again, it warrants us unloading him for a week to 10 days and then reloading him again.

The fact that Jack hasn’t done a lot of training with the group may mean that the reloading period needs to be a little bit longer. But again, we haven’t put a timeframe yet and we want Jack’s foot to feel good. We want him to feel good training in boots, before he plays a game.”

Summary: unload for a week or two, then reload for a week or two (or longer), then feel good training in boots before playing again (probably via VFL).

Sounds like its at least 3-4 weeks before a game (anywhere).  Sadly, can't see him playing vs Richmond ANZAC Eve.

Its good the club has stopped putting a time frame on his return to play - it just dashes expectations when it doesn't happen.

 

Thanks for laying it out. The club aren't always completely transparent - why should they be if it doesn't help fans and hurts them - but in this case Misson has detailed the plan.

I hope they can do more in terms of designing better boots or orthotics to overcome the problem as well as the rest and rehab plan.

I think the only time line the club ever put on Viney was a round 1 return being possible if things go to plan. Which they then cancelled a couple of weeks ago and didn't put a set time from on after that.