Frost on the wing?

Balic might surprise.  He has more skill and more upside than Harmes and ANB.  I also agree with some that Vanders is a lock.

12 hours ago, buck_nekkid said:

Frost on the wing?

Haha good one

12 hours ago, buck_nekkid said:

Frost on the wing?

I think he could potentially be good as a defensive forward, only to be used against teams that use a key back to spring-board their offence the likes of Rance, Hurley, McGovern etc. teams that use the more traditional smaller players then he'd be better down back. Given his height and speed, those guys who peel off and try to intercept mark or spoil would have to give him some respect, if he was told when they go up he's to run back Josh Jenkins style and try to get himself on his own 10 meters from goal. 

I would never start him forward without a role like this, he's a better defender than forward, but as a defensive 'tagger' he might work.

12 hours ago, Red and Blue realist said:

I think he could potentially be good as a defensive forward, only to be used against teams that use a key back to spring-board their offence the likes of Rance, Hurley, McGovern etc. teams that use the more traditional smaller players then he'd be better down back. Given his height and speed, those guys who peel off and try to intercept mark or spoil would have to give him some respect, if he was told when they go up he's to run back Josh Jenkins style and try to get himself on his own 10 meters from goal. 

I would never start him forward without a role like this, he's a better defender than forward, but as a defensive 'tagger' he might work.

You don't beat Rance by tagging him because that means he still dictates his movements & plays his game of going to the ball regardless of his man 'tagging' him.

You beat him by effectively playing through his man like Geeling did with Taylor or how our forwards have played ok on him previously or by effective short balls into the forward line or by quick crosses that shift the whole defense with a quick hit up to a lead. 

Its all easier said than done & that's what makes them great defenders, but that is how you normally beat a dominant 3rd man defense up like those that have used Rance, McGovern & Lever.

I really think Lever will be huge for us for this very reason. 

I actually think frosts best position is probably centre half back where he can use his run and attack. Oscar will be the full back and lever the third tall. Very solid set of attacking key defenders. Hibbered, Jetta and hunt is probably the three best medium/small defenders in the comp. 

On 10/13/2017 at 2:28 PM, DaveyDee said:

I've went for a tad different line-up and only listed what I think are best 22, plus Ive went for the smaller forward/backline combinations

B:        Jetta      xxxxx    Hibberd

HB:      Salem   Lever       Hunt

C:         Brayshaw       Oliver      Petracca

HF:      Melksham      TMac      Hannan

F:         Garlett   Hogan    xxxxx

Fol:      Gawn     Jones     Viney

Int: Lewis, Maynard, xxxx, xxxx

Im updating my round 1 team 

B:        Jetta      Frost    Hibberd

HB:      Salem   Lever       Hunt

C:         Brayshaw       Oliver      Petracca

HF:      Melksham      TMac      Hannan

F:         Garlett   Hogan    Harmes

Fol:      Gawn     Jones     Viney

Int: Lewis, Maynard, Pedo, Vandenberg

 

FB: Jetta - Frost - Lever

HB: Hunt - Oscar - Hibberd

C: Lewis - Viney - Gus

HF: ANB - Hogan - Trac

FF: Garlett - T-Mac - Pedo

R: Gawn - N.Jones - Oliver

I: Harmes - Melksham - Tyson - Salem

E: Vince - Hannan - Weideman

Next in line to come in with injuries: Maynard, Stretch, J.Smith, Vanders, Bugg

That's a pretty solid unit of 30.

man those line ups have me fired up!  

how long til round one?!?!?!

Wow! The depth in our back line is outstanding!

I suspect the coaches will give Joel Smith a run at it early which would likely see O-Mac and Frost out.

I'd also rather see T-Mac play back, further complicating things.

I think Weideman's progression will be a huge factor to our ongoing success. If we could get 20 goals out of him this season, that would be huge. That forward line is the only area that causes immediate concern. A second dangerous tall is crucial to its success.

Exciting times!

3 hours ago, DaveyDee said:

Im updating my round 1 team 

B:        Jetta      Frost    Hibberd

HB:      Salem   Lever       Hunt

C:         Brayshaw       Oliver      Petracca

HF:      Melksham      TMac      Hannan

F:         Garlett   Hogan    Harmes

Fol:      Gawn     Jones     Viney

Int: Lewis, Maynard, Pedo, Vandenberg

 

No Tyson, no Neal-Bullen, who was top 5 for forward-line pressure in the AFL in 2017, plus you've included Pedersen instead of another runner when McDonald can pinch hit in the second ruck role.

Fair to say I don't like the team. 

On 10/12/2017 at 7:36 PM, Goodvibes said:

Looks good.

And you've overlooked Salem and not considered Balic.

Get rid if OMac, give it back to big brother at FB, Hogan cannot kick 50-60 metres so he's no CHF - so take him back to FFwd. Use Melksham as a CHF utility. Get Lever to CHB and Frosty to the HBFlk,   

On 10/12/2017 at 4:19 PM, Wrecker45 said:

Looks good. Watt could be wrong?

Watt do you think?

9 hours ago, ProDee said:

No Tyson, no Neal-Bullen, who was top 5 for forward-line pressure in the AFL in 2017, plus you've included Pedersen instead of another runner when McDonald can pinch hit in the second ruck role.

Fair to say I don't like the team. 

Fair call - you could well be right. However, exactly why I think we have a very bright future - we dont have so many auto top 22's. 

1/ I would prefer TMac not to be used as 2nd ruck option - if he was to be moved it would be to go back into defense, then Pedo plays 2nd tall, or Pedo plays 3rd tall / ruck back up

2/ Tyson vs Vandenburg - I went the later for his extra height/weight up forward

3/ Harmes vs Neal Bullen - it was a real 50/50 and Id be happy to have either in the side

But fair calls on your behalf

Edited November 20, 20177 yr by DaveyDee

Looking at the list I can see that we have good looking depth in most areas of the ground. Looking at the way the players on the list have presented coming back for preseason it would seem we are looking at a very mobile team. A number of the players look to have dropped a few kgs. and will be looking to get a lot of run in their legs. It will be interesting to see how the players and our game plans develop of the off season.

Here is my crack at the team for round 1.

B: JETTA, OMAC, LEVER

HB: HIBBERD, FROST, SALEM

C: PETRACCA, OLIVER, HUNT

HF: MELKSHAM, HOGAN, NEAL-BULLEN

F: GARLETT, TMAC, HANNAN

FOLL: GAWN, JONES, VINEY

IC: TYSON, BRAYSHAW, LEWIS, MAYNARD

EMG: STRETCH, HARMES, PEDERSEN KENT

In defence I will be interested to see the development in Omac and Frost over the off season we do need them to step up a notch. If one of them runs into a patch of bad form we will need to look at who slips back there. Keilty might get a run there or they could swing Pedersen back there. I think we are committed to keeping Tmac forward this next season.

This next season our midfield will really be a strength with some emerging A+ players and good developing depth. A lot of players in this team to rotate through there. Oliver, Jones, Viney and Tyson all pretty much pure mids. I would like to see Petracca spend a majority of his time in the middle this season. Rotating through there would be Hunt, Neal-Bullen, Salem, Garlett, Brayshaw, Lewis, Melksham  and Maynard. I did like it when I saw Hogan in the center at the bounce a few times.

In the forwards Hogan, Melksham, Neal-Bullen and Hannan to be allowed to roam far and wide. TMac to be at the pointy end of the attack with Garlett doing what he does best. in some cases I could see Pedersen in for Hannan or Melksham.

Of the others running around I will be interested to see how VdB comes back after last year with his injuries. I want to see Weideman bulk out a bit and start to impose himself a bit more. I like what I have seen so far. Want to see what we have with Balic, as I have not seen anything of him.

 

 

 

38 minutes ago, DaveyDee said:

1/ I would prefer TMac not to be used as 2nd ruck option - if he was to be moved it would be to go back into defense, then Pedo plays 2nd tall, or Pedo plays 3rd tall / ruck back up

2/ Tyson vs Vandenburg - I went the later for his extra height/weight up forward

3/ Harmes vs Neal Bullen - it was a real 50/50 and Id be happy to have either in the side

But fair calls on your behalf

1. I'd far rather another runner than a another tall.  You're aware Richmond used Grigg as a second ruck in 2017 ?  Pedersen won't be played in addition to the incumbent talls.  Pedersen was reserves bound all year until Gawn and then Spencer went down.  He did a great job, but he won't be part of the 22 with a fit Gawn, Hogan and McDonald in the forward-line.

2. Tyson and vandenBerg are not competing for a position.  vandenBerg is competing with Harmes, Hannan and possibly Balic..

3. Harmes v Neal-Bullen is more like for like, but Neal-Bullen's pressure ensured 11th position in the B&F compared to Harmes 17.  I have both in my team, but certainly Neal-Bullen deserves to be picked first.  I wasn't a fan of his this time last year, but he walked the walk.

Really agree with Lever on the backline for the simple reason he will need a look the way things operate first. 

Midfield speed and spread still  a major issue.

Overabundance of slow big bodied mids.

interesting that - judging from the very early reports - frost seems to be being trialled as a spare parts mid / ruck role, presumably a la blicavs?

i still tend to think he'll be best 22 for us, but it'll be interesting to see how we structure up; i always saw frost as returning to that running chb role that he played well when in form, but perhaps there's a surprise in store

B: Jetta - O Mac - Vince
HB: Hunt - Lever - Hibberd
C: Salem - Jones - Lewis
HF: Petracca - Hogan - Melksham
F: Pedersen - T Mac - Garlett
Foll: Gawn - Oliver - Viney
I/c: Tyson - Frost - Hannan - ANB
Emerg: Brayshaw - vandenBerg - Weideman

Edited November 21, 20177 yr by DemonAndrew
gawn - oliver - viney

18 hours ago, CHF said:

Looking at the list I can see that we have good looking depth in most areas of the ground. Looking at the way the players on the list have presented coming back for preseason it would seem we are looking at a very mobile team. A number of the players look to have dropped a few kgs. and will be looking to get a lot of run in their legs. It will be interesting to see how the players and our game plans develop of the off season.

Here is my crack at the team for round 1.

B: JETTA, OMAC, LEVER

HB: HIBBERD, FROST, SALEM

C: PETRACCA, OLIVER, HUNT

HF: MELKSHAM, HOGAN, NEAL-BULLEN

F: GARLETT, TMAC, HANNAN

FOLL: GAWN, JONES, VINEY

IC: TYSON, BRAYSHAW, LEWIS, MAYNARD

EMG: STRETCH, HARMES, PEDERSEN KENT

In defence I will be interested to see the development in Omac and Frost over the off season we do need them to step up a notch. If one of them runs into a patch of bad form we will need to look at who slips back there. Keilty might get a run there or they could swing Pedersen back there. I think we are committed to keeping Tmac forward this next season.

This next season our midfield will really be a strength with some emerging A+ players and good developing depth. A lot of players in this team to rotate through there. Oliver, Jones, Viney and Tyson all pretty much pure mids. I would like to see Petracca spend a majority of his time in the middle this season. Rotating through there would be Hunt, Neal-Bullen, Salem, Garlett, Brayshaw, Lewis, Melksham  and Maynard. I did like it when I saw Hogan in the center at the bounce a few times.

In the forwards Hogan, Melksham, Neal-Bullen and Hannan to be allowed to roam far and wide. TMac to be at the pointy end of the attack with Garlett doing what he does best. in some cases I could see Pedersen in for Hannan or Melksham.

Of the others running around I will be interested to see how VdB comes back after last year with his injuries. I want to see Weideman bulk out a bit and start to impose himself a bit more. I like what I have seen so far. Want to see what we have with Balic, as I have not seen anything of him.

 

 

 

You can bet your bottom dollar that Vince will be in the team list come round 1.

 

 

28 minutes ago, DemonAndrew said:

B: Jetta - O Mac - Vince
HB: Hunt - Lever - Hibberd
C: Salem - Jones - Lewis
HF: Petracca - Hogan - Melksham
F: Pedersen - T Mac - Garlett
Foll: Tyson - Frost - Hannan - ANB
Emerg: Brayshaw - vandenBerg - Weideman

Think you are missing the followers and put the interchange in the wrong spot.... Assuming Gawn Viney and Oliver??

Hope so, not sure Tyson is the best bet for the ruck - surely our bf gets a gig. Tough call.

tyson is gonna step up big time...right up a step-ladder when he takes on zac smith in round 1!

(also, added gawn - oliver - viney)

Tmac is gonna wreck some defenders next year. Oliver will finally insert his fist into Rob Acquaro cake-hole... petracca will break other people tose and not his

17 hours ago, Petraccattack said:

Midfield speed and spread still  a major issue.

Overabundance of slow big bodied mids.

A bit of outside pace would be great, but Viney, Oliver, Petracca have above average speed.

Tyson is slow.  Jones OK.  Lewis won't spend as much time in the middle.  

Brayshaw will be a big bodied mid and his pace is fine.

I agree that we need speed, but I don't see a plethora of slow big bodied mids.