Thanks everyone

 

40 minutes ago, Unleash Hell said:

No inside info

Bigfooty poster reporting Jack will nominate Pies after best and fairest....

 

No. He won't be going to Collingwood.

The real point is that if MFC had continued to play like we did against Adelaide mid season the premiership would’ve been within our grasp THIS YEAR.

WTF happened? Watts was a big part of this failure.

im so glad goody is making the decisions and not 70% of the fans here.

the amount of stick i've got over the years from mates who go for other teams over watts is finally coming to an end

11 minutes ago, Dr.D said:

im so glad goody is making the decisions and not 70% of the fans here.

the amount of stick i've got over the years from mates who go for other teams over watts is finally coming to an end

Great reason to want him gone - he embarrasses you with your friends!    I think you should stick to the reasons you've relied on earlier  DrD- they at least make sense even to those who disagree with your conclusions.

Since JW was drafted and the next big thing.

The only news around Melbourne was JW.

Apart from an 18 month interlude of MN antics.

Since then JW talk has overpowered everything at the club.

What has the club achieved since the Great JW arrived?

Every other player has bust a gut to get a game, he has been gifted games when anyone else would have been dropped.

Nine years is enough. I thought 2016 was a turning point. 2017 set him back 5 years.

Good Bye Jack. You are a very polite man. But you are not the 6'5" KPF we were expecting.

2 hours ago, beelzebub said:

Nathan Jones is part of the agenda of a clique at Melbourne to push Jack on.

Hilarious! You Brighton bozo's are the biggest clique in Melbourne. Jones too honest for you ol' boy? Beelzebub and Watts - 'til trade do us part! (And even then not really).

This is just an amazing thread. I find the depth and breadth of criticism of Watts fascinating. How is it that some DLers seem to have a level of spitefulness towards Watts (certainly visible in the words that they write) that to me is virtually a hatred of Watts. Not just a dissatisfaction.

Is it only me that wonders what it takes to be the kind of person that does that?

Maybe Oscar Wilde's comment on it contains some level of truth:

“Criticism is the only reliable form of autobiography" indicating that it tells us more about the psychology of the critic than the people he or she is criticising.

Hows that for a psychological assessment? Free of charge. I'd suggest some of you particularly spiteful contributors get some help!

Hahahahahahaha.

And, I wonder if the snipers would have so much bravado if they were face to face with him. On their own. Pretty sure I know the answer to that.

54 minutes ago, Stretch Johnson said:

The  fact that we are 120 pages of discussion, much of it hysterical and based on little is telling. 

About whether  to keep or trade an outside flanker.

It says a lot about us as a supporter group.

Anxious, fearful, neurotic.

This is not how good clubs operate. 

We also have 140 pages about trading in an intercept defender

1 minute ago, Travis16 said:

We also have 140 pages about trading in an intercept defender

An intercept defender who made the AA squad as a 21 year old and just played in a Grand Final.

How was Watts going at age 21 lol

1 minute ago, Petraccattack said:

An interceptor defender who made the AA squad as a 21 year old and just played in a Grand Final.

How was Watts going at age 21 lol

I'd be thinking that was contingent on the playing group and coaches that he didn't actually choose to surround himself by...

4 minutes ago, Travis16 said:

We also have 140 pages about trading in an intercept defender

This one has been going a month. 

The other has been going for 5 months. 

4 minutes ago, Petraccattack said:

An intercept defender who made the AA squad as a 21 year old and just played in a Grand Final.

How was Watts going at age 21 lol

Jack was 21 in 2012. How were all of us going in Mark Neelds first year....

 

LOL

3 minutes ago, Stretch Johnson said:

This one has been going a month. 

The other has been going for 5 months. 

The last 100 pages since the end of August actually.  Anyway, irrelevant how long its been going on, like I said, one about your "outside flanker" and one about an intercept defender.  Both  (threads) as polarising and intriguing as the other

Yeah well just as a gut feel, This decision will come back to bite us BIG TIME!

it's not a decision Picket!!!

It's a test of faith similar to Abraham in the Bible.

Similar to putting choo-choo on the cross!!

26 minutes ago, Barney Rubble said:

Since JW was drafted and the next big thing.

The only news around Melbourne was JW.

Apart from an 18 month interlude of MN antics.

Since then JW talk has overpowered everything at the club.

What has the club achieved since the Great JW arrived?

Every other player has bust a gut to get a game, he has been gifted games when anyone else would have been dropped.

Nine years is enough. I thought 2016 was a turning point. 2017 set him back 5 years.

Good Bye Jack. You are a very polite man. But you are not the 6'5" KPF we were expecting.

Completely agree that JW has overpowered everything at the club - I would add the first couple years of Roos as an interlude.

However, your 'investment bias' is coming through with the mention of the '6'5 KPF we were expecting.' I realised a few years ago that that was never going to happen, and a role player was all I was expecting - which is what made 2016 and the first half of this season a realisation.

I do hope that the club gets what it wants out of this decision - whether that be a new fervour of professionalism, a message headed on commitment, or simply an asset to flip into something that helps us on a way to our flag.

 

I find the political references to the 'trade Watts' and 'retain Watts' camps to be absolutely absurd.

My attitude to this issue stems from a player and list management perspective. It's a rational view, and is not based on 'feelings'.

That said, I have an emotional attachment to this club, and, to the extent that I think the club is exercising poor judgement or making a bad decision, it will have an emotional impact on me as well.

The amount of paint by numbers, binary, inflexible 'logic' that is apparent on this thread is incredible.

Clubs are about people. Some here seem to think this stuff is like playing Madden NFL on X-Box. I expect every successful senior coach will tell them otherwise.

 

Simply put ....if a player is put up for trade and clubs especially Sydney and Geelong perk up. I would take the player off the table. 

It seems as though it is going to happen. On face value I don't like it at all, but I simply have to put out faith into the club and hopefully we look back in 5 years and this might be a turning point.

 

 

 

 

I would think the fact the coach and captain are putting him on the table at the same time as denigrating his worth means he will not be traded.

That's the last serious input I will have on the matter as it has gone beyond farce.

3 hours ago, beelzebub said:

Nathan Jones is part of the agenda of a clique at Melbourne to push Jack on.

That and of itself is one thing, that Jack may move on, that he should move on or that he may need to move on  etc.

Its another thing to keep pushing the barrow ( at any opportunity ) and reveal your colours. Some would say they are pure Red and Blue.  Some might say the very same for Jack Watts

Hey beelzebub, the Jones clique you refer to would be the leadership group for which he is the spokesperson

27 minutes ago, Biffen said:

I would think the fact the coach and captain are putting him on the table at the same time as denigrating his worth means he will not be traded

Odd conclusion at best

1 hour ago, picket fence said:

Yeah well just as a gut feel, This decision will come back to bite us BIG TIME!

Exactly. When you read what rival coaches say about Watts in PRAISE it makes one think that Goodwin is letting his personal feelings towards Jack outweigh logic  by offloading a polished, proven finisher.  These coaches that are in charge of teams that make FINALS footy say they would like Jack in their team. A star like Dangerfield  also would like Jack in his team.  Down the slippery slide next season just as we were on the up. Very depressing. Another year wasted.

2 minutes ago, Bobby McKenzie said:

Exactly. When you read what rival coaches say about Watts in PRAISE it makes one think that Goodwin is letting his personal feelings towards Jack outweigh logic  by offloading a polished, proven finisher.  These coaches that are in charge of teams that make FINALS footy say they would like Jack in their team. A star like Dangerfield  also would like Jack in his team.  Down the slippery slide next season just as we were on the up. Very depressing. Another year wasted.

Paul Roos made the same comments about Lumumba ... I rest my case ... its part of the draft baiting process

1 hour ago, ChewyOnMyBoot said:

This is just an amazing thread. I find the depth and breadth of criticism of Watts fascinating. How is it that some DLers seem to have a level of spitefulness towards Watts (certainly visible in the words that they write) that to me is virtually a hatred of Watts. Not just a dissatisfaction.

Is it only me that wonders what it takes to be the kind of person that does that?

Maybe Oscar Wilde's comment on it contains some level of truth:

“Criticism is the only reliable form of autobiography" indicating that it tells us more about the psychology of the critic than the people he or she is criticising.

Hows that for a psychological assessment? Free of charge. I'd suggest some of you particularly spiteful contributors get some help!

Hahahahahahaha.

And, I wonder if the snipers would have so much bravado if they were face to face with him. On their own. Pretty sure I know the answer to that.

Very interesting comments.

After reading the site for just a few weeks there is no doubt we have some long-time posters on here with serious psychological issues. Some think long-tenure is a badge of honor but it might just be a sign of lunacy.  

However, on the whole the site is amusing and the vast majority of posters appear to have a source - the newspapers or afl.com.au.