7 hours ago, brendan said:

Geez imagine if GWS lose Kelly and shiel this year, they would be no chance for a flag and go backwards pretty quickly 

Injuries have had a impact for GWS,  I have a theory and I've been saying it that they won't win a premiership in the next 4 to 5 years,  we know that kids that are spoilt and given everything quite often don't succeed because they have been handed everything on a platter. 

11 minutes ago, ChaserJ said:

Interesting if Stringer becomes Cats priority. Devon Smith still looks on the way out at GWS, and can't see Geelong getting both, wonder we can steal in there? 

He would be a great get, J. But being a Falcon's boy, surely Geelong would have the inside running at getting him on reduced dollars?

1 hour ago, Fifty-5 said:

Do you really think Schache would cost more in picks than Lever?

Potentially yes, given he is contracted the Lions will be able to drive a much harder deal. I'm not saying he's worth more, but with Lever is able to say he's going to walk anyway, just get the best deal while someone will have to go to the Lions with a deal they can't refuse. 

If it worked, I'd still think we'd have to send pick 14 and a 2nd to Adelaide, while pick 10 on it's own would be enough for Schache. 

1 hour ago, Tough Kent said:

He would be a great get, J. But being a Falcon's boy, surely Geelong would have the inside running at getting him on reduced dollars?

Doubt Geelong will have the currency to get both though, even if they find the $. They have already brought in a lot of mature players for good picks over the last couple of years. If they went after both (and maybe Ablett) then they'll require this years and next years 1st and probably more, and they'll end up with a massive gap in their playing list - all top end, no middle or developing tier. Might get them close over the next year or 2 but then could fall away horribly with no young talent coming through. 

2 hours ago, don't make me angry said:

Injuries have had a impact for GWS,  I have a theory and I've been saying it that they won't win a premiership in the next 4 to 5 years,  we know that kids that are spoilt and given everything quite often don't succeed because they have been handed everything on a platter. 

Its more a balance or 'meet you halfway' kind of thing rather than coddling/over-discipline. Kids that are given nothing but an 'old school' hard ass authoritarian one size fits all coaching approach with strict discipline, either end up alienated or want out, or turn into assholes and a club atmosphere becomes divided. There's a reason Pagan and Rocket reached their expiry date. Like all things in life, moderation and nuance.

Edited September 12, 20178 yr by Wrecked Owl Dees Function

51 minutes ago, Red and Blue realist said:

If it worked, I'd still think we'd have to send pick 14 and a 2nd to Adelaide, while pick 10 on it's own would be enough for Schache. 

Don't think that will get either of those deals done.

1 hour ago, Red and Blue realist said:

Doubt Geelong will have the currency to get both though, even if they find the $. They have already brought in a lot of mature players for good picks over the last couple of years. If they went after both (and maybe Ablett) then they'll require this years and next years 1st and probably more, and they'll end up with a massive gap in their playing list - all top end, no middle or developing tier. Might get them close over the next year or 2 but then could fall away horribly with no young talent coming through. 

Lack of currency will hurt as they don't have a 1st rnd pick.  Their picks: 20, 34, 52. They might get some OK FA compensation picks from the AFL if Motop or Menzel go.

I don't think they have taken a 1st round pick to the draft since 2014 so doubt the AFL will let them use their 2018 pick.   

Essendon are reported to be making a big play for Stringer so it will be interesting to see how it all plays out and where it leaves Ablett...

With the list structure and talent problems you've mentioned, Geelong could slide down the ladder fairly rapidly!  Win the SS games and struggle elsewhere.  Chris can join Brad in the lower half of the ladder...

 

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Cannot see Stringer being a Watson type....

I know he is contracted but I wouldn`t be surprised if we shop Weed around if the right offers come around.

4 minutes ago, Hell Bent said:

I know he is contracted but I wouldn`t be surprised if we shop Weed around if the right offers come around.

Nor I.

Maybe in a ...yeah... what are we talking about ...  to and fro ...within other bartering.

He might leave in an indirect fashion of sorts.

Definitely not an 'untouchable'

9 minutes ago, Hell Bent said:

I know he is contracted but I wouldn`t be surprised if we shop Weed around if the right offers come around.

Agree. If the Football Dept wake up and realise that Tom Mac is a better forward than backman, Weed will be spending another year at Casey. And if he doesn't start dominating at that level next year, his currency will be severely diminished.

16 minutes ago, mo64 said:

Agree. If the Football Dept wake up and realise that Tom Mac is a better forward than backman, Weed will be spending another year at Casey. And if he doesn't start dominating at that level next year, his currency will be severely diminished.

Yep agree entirely. I also feel the reason Frosty re-signed was as a result of knowing that Lever will actually take TMacs spot in the backline, not Frostys, TMac will be permanent forward. Weed then becomes surplus to requirements and a trade may nett us a decent mid with pace which is what we need more than anything.

1 minute ago, Hell Bent said:

Yep agree entirely. I also feel the reason Frosty re-signed was as a result of knowing that Lever will actually take TMacs spot in the backline, not Frostys, TMac will be permanent forward. Weed then becomes surplus to requirements and a trade may nett us a decent mid with pace which is what we need more than anything.

Another wasted pick 9 

33 minutes ago, jackaub said:

Another wasted pick 9 

I don't think Shache has done anything much greater than weideman but some are suggesting he's an absolute jet and will demand first rounders.

Based on that logic, should we be looking for a similar value to use on someone like Gaff?

Collingwood need tall forwards to help out Moore, and the name fits...Personally I wouldn't want to lose Weideman but it may be a way to trade for more picks to use for a midfielder and/or Lever...

 

4 hours ago, ChaserJ said:

If Giants are worried that Mumford may be done, Goldstein would make a whole lot of sense for them. Part of a potential Kelly deal?

Could the Dogs also be in the market for Goldy due to Tom Boyds situation?

17 minutes ago, Melbournepotter said:

Collingwood need tall forwards to help out Moore, and the name fits...Personally I wouldn't want to lose Weideman but it may be a way to trade for more picks to use for a midfielder and/or Lever...

 

I would not want to trade Weids unless he a) demands to leave, and b) there is a significant upside offer on the table for us.  Weid is a good young player that is still developing.  OK, he is not yet a 'great', or a 'superstar' - but your footy team rarely has more than a few of those in it.  Weids is developing nicely, showed plenty in a few games at VFL level this year, and did OK (again not great) in the AFL.  I think we will see a big step up at VFL level next year, with some AFL games - and in 2019 he will be a solid (sometimes spectacular) contributor to our forward line at AFL level.  Worth hanging on to, unless something significant is on offer.  A required player, but not 'untouchable' for mine.

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spellink

would anyone trade Tmac to get Stringer? Maybe not a straight swap... But I wouldn't be too worried to lose Tmac.

The Weid isn't worth much now as trade bait. With a big preseason he might come on next year or in 2019 (remember he's still very young) and be worth much to the team, either as a future MFC kpf or even in a trade. If he doesn't come on next year or in 2019 he won't be worth much in a trade and we're back to where we are now.

My point is he's on our list and its worth continuing the development to see what becomes. Give him the time and development a tall, young player needs. There's a reason why TViney, Taylor and Roos wanted him. 

6 minutes ago, buck_nekkid said:

I would not want to trade Weids unless he a) demands to leave, and b) there is a significant upside offer on the table for us.  Weid is a good young player that is still developing.  OK, he is not yet a 'great', or a 'superstar' - but your footy team rarely has more than a few of those in it.  Weids is developing nicely, showed plenty in a few games at VFL level this year, and did OK (again not great) in the AFL.  I think we will see a big step up at VFL level next year, with some AFL games - and in 2019 he will be a solid (sometimes spectacular) contributor to our forward line at AFL level.  Worth hanging on to, unless something significant is on offer.  A required player, but not 'untouchable' for mine.

But do we need him? If we get Lever and TMac plays permanent forward (where he played the best footy of his career to date), Weid won`t get much of a look in unless of a)injuries or b) Watts leaves.

 

We need outside pace and class in the midfield ASAP....considering his potential, Weid might get us someone good.

3 minutes ago, Surfer Dee said:

would anyone trade Tmac to get Stringer? Maybe not a straight swap... But I wouldn't be too worried to lose Tmac.

Slap yourself. 

2 minutes ago, Hell Bent said:

But do we need him? If we get Lever and TMac plays permanent forward (where he played the best footy of his career to date), Weid won`t get much of a look in unless of a)injuries or b) Watts leaves.

 

We need outside pace and class in the midfield ASAP....considering his potential, Weid might get us someone good.

More likely to happen than for the Weid to leave imo

1 minute ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

Slap yourself. 

Haha. I'm still rageful from his kickout against Collingwood...

Interesting to read the thoughts on Weid here. Ive said it before but I reckon we go for broke now....trading Weid would be a massive risk, but worth it IF the upside was worth it. Ive also been intruiged by how well the Tiges have done and indeed the doggies did last year with a smaller, high pressure fwd line. the footy dept have got some massive decisions to make this off season.....decisions that I suspect will polarise us. Hopefully we make the right calls.....this could be the summer that defines our next few years. 

I dont think Weid would attract much interest ATM as he has barely played and of those times he has shown areas requiring more improvements (ie: contested marking, reading play, etc).

Improving his body size would be a good start.