http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-07-26/goodwins-captain-call-pays-dividends

 

Just on Damian - I personally don't get why people dislike him.

He has also seemed to be relatively supportive of the Dees...

Smug know it all perhaps.

There were plenty who were crying foul over the decision to promote Viney to a dual captaincy role with Jones earlier in the year.  Unbelievably, they've gone quiet.  It was always going to take time and now we are reaping the benefits.

Viney's game has gone to another level this season with his professionalism, leadership and competitiveness which has also rubbed on to his team mates, similar to Jonesy.

Personally not fussed either way, but recall Barrett being heavily critical of Melbourne's recruiting for a number of years, referring to a 'scattergun' approach.

At times he wasn't far off the mark. It probably continued on to the Kelly/Tyson, Salem, Hunt trade.

There were periods where he seemed fairly harsh on Melbourne, but in retrospect I'm not sure whether it was particularly unfair. Seems to be very positive on where Melbourne sits this year.

 

First time poster, long time reader

Is Damien Barrett just pumping our tyres up as a tactic to help his beloved Roos?

I've heard him call us the real deal on a number of occasions this week. 

Maybe hoping we'll get ahead of ourselves with the extra media attention...

I could see absolutely no reason why Viney should be made co-captain in stead of, for example, vice-captain.

There are a lot of things I cannot see.

20 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

There were plenty who were crying foul over the decision to promote Viney to a dual captaincy role with Jones earlier in the year.  Unbelievably, they've gone quiet.  

Don't think unbelievably is the word I would use.

 

The real keyboard warrior goes to ground when they have egg on their face.

19 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

There were plenty who were crying foul over the decision to promote Viney to a dual captaincy role with Jones earlier in the year.  Unbelievably, they've gone quiet.  It was always going to take time and now we are reaping the benefits.

I still think it'd be better to have Jones as the standalone captain and Viney as his vice.  I disagree with Barrett's assertion that it was a 'safe' decision as though that's some sort of negative thing.

Jack Viney would now be acting captain, and still be playing the exact same brand of footy now as he's been playing his entire career as he only knows one way- the captaincy hasn't changed that.

Viney is a young player of exception talent and courage- he will be a long term captain of the MFC.  He's displayed these qualities since his first match when he confronted the team in the rooms following a loss to Port Adelaide.  Viney's leadership' never been in doubt, but the timing has been called into question.

 

But... the decisions made, the season's two thirds over and it isn't going to change.  While not a terrible decision, or even a particularly bad one, I think it was a call made too early.

 

Just now, TGR said:

Don't think unbelievably is the word I would use.

 

The real keyboard warrior goes to ground when they have egg on their face.

It's simply not true though- there was a thread on this topic following the WCE win, where Viney played a blinder as captain.

It's never been a slight on Viney to think the decision was the wrong one and being a 'keyboard warrior' has nothing to do with it.

21 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

There were plenty who were crying foul over the decision to promote Viney to a dual captaincy role with Jones earlier in the year.  Unbelievably, they've gone quiet.  It was always going to take time and now we are reaping the benefits.

It's not unreasonable to debate the decision and those that didn't support it would now accept they were wrong.  It's an opinion business and if you're going to have a pot shot at everyone for getting things wrong you'll be very busy.

I'm not sure if I posted at the time but I was unsure of the decision until I heard Jones talk about it on "On The Couch".

Just now, Baghdad Bob said:

It's not unreasonable to debate the decision and those that didn't support it would now accept they were wrong.  It's an opinion business and if you're going to have a pot shot at everyone for getting things wrong you'll be very busy.

I'm not sure if I posted at the time but I was unsure of the decision until I heard Jones talk about it on "On The Couch".

It's also not unreasonable to give things time.  We're too quick to judge and say something is wrong when it hasn't even had time to play out.  It's fine to question the decision, but there were plenty calling it the wrong one, blaming Viney's slow start to the year on it and so forth.  I know we live in a time where everything has to happen quickly, but many things don't, and this is one of them. 

Viney stamped his leadership credentials in the rooms after our Rd 1 debacle to Port Adelaide in 2013 by speaking to the group about his passion for the club and the jumper after another insipid performance under Mark Neeld.

His first fricking AFL game he took it upon himself to deliver that message to the team.

Neeld even said in his post-match that day that Jack Viney "is (was) probably the most Melbourne person in that room."

I couldn't give a sh*t what Barrett thinks or writes. All I know is that Goodwin is an astute judge of leaders amongst men and the dynamics of the co-captaincy between Jones and Viney,

4 minutes ago, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

It's simply not true though- there was a thread on this topic following the WCE win, where Viney played a blinder as captain.

It's never been a slight on Viney to think the decision was the wrong one and being a 'keyboard warrior' has nothing to do with it.

True on both counts TPF, and I certainly wasn't trying to make out in my initial post that anyone who questioned the decision was a 'keyboard warrior'.  I just think this is proof that some things need time and we can't be so quick to judge.  Some things happen overnight, others take months.  This decision was one of them.

32 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

There were plenty who were crying foul over the decision to promote Viney to a dual captaincy role with Jones earlier in the year.  Unbelievably, they've gone quiet.  It was always going to take time and now we are reaping the benefits.

Ah dont let providence colour your cheer so much.

I still am not a fan of two captains.  It's nonsensical in its roots. But that aside.  What has  happened if you look at the facts and not the fairytale is there has been a need for a captain whilst Jones was off injured.  Had Viney even been VC he would have still stepped into the breach.

Lucks a fortune sometimes. This is nothing more than that. That doesn't  ( nor is meant to ) take away from the sterling efforts of Viney to lead by taking games by the scruff of its neck.He's done magnificently in this respect. I didnt think he would/could at this age but he has.

Tbh ...and I await the howlers. Jack has shown more leadership on filed that Chunk has. For mine it was only in the GC game THIS year he took matters into his own hands and played a CAPTAINS game.

Strangely we've operated quite well without Jones, but less so without Viney,

Not that you could but Id make Viney sole captain for 2018 onwards.

Cant see it happening...backed into a corner now is Goody.

Again ...lucks a fortune me thinks

I've added a very unscientific poll to the topic.

2 hours ago, Dee Jam said:

First time poster, long time reader

Is Damien Barrett just pumping our tyres up as a tactic to help his beloved Roos?

I've heard him call us the real deal on a number of occasions this week. 

Maybe hoping we'll get ahead of ourselves with the extra media attention...

These articles will have no impact on the game this week. Certainly not on how the deees will play the game. In previous years it might have. This team now is made of sterner stuff and North will be found wanting. I hope they will be found wanting by at least 8 goals.

Bet that purple wrote an article back in Jan saying it was a stupid idea. Not going to bother looking, but. like all the muck diggers these days, the opinion changes week by week and they pretend they never had a different one.

Oceania is at war with Eurasia. Oceania has always been at war with Eurasia.

I still don't like 2 Captain's, never will. Viney should have been made VC, which would have made him Captain now. 

His efforts against Meth Coke and Port have been quite incredible, to do what he has done at such a young age. 

He has carried the side over the line, something i have never seen Jones do, as much as he has tried over the years. 

How much have we missed Jones over the last month?

his return will be most welcome and i hope he plays finals, but he is not a crucial player on field as a leader, like he once was. 

2 hours ago, Bimbo said:

I could see absolutely no reason why Viney should be made co-captain in stead of, for example, vice-captain.

There are a lot of things I cannot see.

Right....

2 hours ago, beelzebub said:

Ah dont let providence colour your cheer so much.

I still am not a fan of two captains.  It's nonsensical in its roots. But that aside.  What has  happened if you look at the facts and not the fairytale is there has been a need for a captain whilst Jones was off injured.  Had Viney even been VC he would have still stepped into the breach.

Lucks a fortune sometimes. This is nothing more than that. That doesn't  ( nor is meant to ) take away from the sterling efforts of Viney to lead by taking games by the scruff of its neck.He's done magnificently in this respect. I didnt think he would/could at this age but he has.

Tbh ...and I await the howlers. Jack has shown more leadership on filed that Chunk has. For mine it was only in the GC game THIS year he took matters into his own hands and played a CAPTAINS game.

Strangely we've operated quite well without Jones, but less so without Viney,

Not that you could but Id make Viney sole captain for 2018 onwards.

Cant see it happening...backed into a corner now is Goody.

Again ...lucks a fortune me thinks

It's always been a handover, inevitable. But there are other leaders there now too.....

People were critical of Viney's form at the start of the year and attributed it to the captaincy. We now know he was affected by Plantar Fascia which doesn't rule you out from playing, but drastically impacts your contribution.

I also reckon Jonesy has had a great year, which in my in part be explained by having less of the captaincy duties. 

One match which that article didn't mention was the game over in Perth. Viney was extraordinary in that game.

Barrett was bound to write some thing decent.  Every one gets lucky once. 

44 minutes ago, Gorgoroth said:

Barrett was bound to write some thing decent.  Every one gets lucky once. 

The purplish monkey in the foreground is Barrett.

Wednesday is probably the slowest day of the footy week......sighhhhh