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Pedersen shouldn't be even in the equation (for the future). This or next season will be his last. Mahoney and T.Viney will be evaluating the progress of Weideman along with any other tall they recruit to determine when his services will no longer be required. 

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    Kudos for the balls it takes to make a thread like this. Seems to be a genuine view which you're welcome to. 

    Hoges definitely has room for improvement defensively but he's too smart, strong and skilful with way too much upside to consider trading for mine. Keep in mind his career is only 46 games old. We're a long way from seeing the best he has to offer. 

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    5 hours ago, Demon3564 said:

    This is not a knee jerk to Sunday's game but I've now thought for some time in Hogans absence that our attack is better, more unpredictable without hogan than with him. 

    Sure he is great one-out but it's the second efforts, pressure acts and body language that he lacks that lets us down. 

    At risk of causing the biggest outrage since we traded woewodin, I think we should be pulling out all stops to recruit Leever, trade hogan and play T-Mac forward permanently with Weid, Pedo and watts on the wing/flank. 

    If we don't get Leever I still stand by trading Hogan at season's end provided we re-sign Frost. 

    I like the idea. Let's see if we can swap him out for Jack Darling or one of the Reids. Makes sense. 

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    No way for god sake. It was his first game back in 9 weeks give him a break. It is going to take time for him to get back to his best probably not until next season. With Hogan in the team we are much more dangerous.

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    5 hours ago, Wunders said:

    I really want the recruiting staff to work on Hogan's second efforts and pressure in general. I can't really remember him laying a tackle.. I want him to make opposition players scared to have the ball around him. I'm sure it will come (well hopeful)..

    It's one thing that Weidemann has all over him. A natural defensive instinct.

    Hogan is lazy a.f as soon as the opposition has the ball.

    One of the worst ive seen recently.

     

    Trade him, nah.

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    9 hours ago, Deestroy All said:

    Probably the wrong thread but the way this joint is going tonight no one will care...

    can someone tell me why Pedo's bone crunching tackle on Gibbs in the final minutes wasn't holding the ball?

     

    9 hours ago, Pennant St Dee said:

    I'm going from memory here and would assume he nailed Weitering almost instantly and the force of the tackle forced the ball loose. At the time I yelled ball but in hindsight I can play devil's advocate and say

    No prior opportunity 

    Ball jarred free in tackle

    No incorrect disposal

     

    That happened right in front of me and I'm certain I went blue in the face screaming for holding the ball.

    Yes, the ball was jarred loose in that bone crunching tackle but Weitering took 2 to 3 lateral steps albeit small ones before he was tackled.  

    Maybe it did constitute no prior but the umps were a lot hotter on some of our blokes.

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    9 hours ago, Deestroy All said:

    Probably the wrong thread but the way this joint is going tonight no one will care...

    can someone tell me why Pedo's bone crunching tackle on Gibbs in the final minutes wasn't holding the ball?

    The real reason is no doubt because the umpires wouldn't have wanted to pay a free kick in that location to kill the game at that point in time. There is a rule in the umpires manual that advises them to ignore obvious free kicks if the potential result of said free kick kills off the game. It wouldn't be in the spirit of the spectacle to pay it.

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    10 hours ago, Deestroy All said:

    Probably the wrong thread but the way this joint is going tonight no one will care...

    can someone tell me why Pedo's bone crunching tackle on Gibbs in the final minutes wasn't holding the ball?

    Because the umpires were a waste of oxygen on the weekend.

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    23 minutes ago, pineapple dee said:

    There is a rule in the umpires manual that advises them to ignore obvious free kicks if the potential result of said free kick kills off the game. It wouldn't be in the spirit of the spectacle to pay it.

    I've never sighted this rule myself, but last time I saw this mentioned on Demonland, it was the opposite of what you said: don't pay free kicks UNLESS they are obvious, not ignore the obvious free kicks.

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    18 hours ago, Queanbeyan Demon said:

    I like the idea. Let's see if we can swap him out for Jack Darling or one of the Reids. Makes sense. 

    Jack Darling Bwah ha ha. He is built like Tarzan plays like Jane.. Need I remind you of his GF pearler....

    darling.gif

     

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    12 hours ago, pineapple dee said:

    The real reason is no doubt because the umpires wouldn't have wanted to pay a free kick in that location to kill the game at that point in time. There is a rule in the umpires manual that advises them to ignore obvious free kicks if the potential result of said free kick kills off the game. It wouldn't be in the spirit of the spectacle to pay it.

    Do you seriously think they would not have paid it were the boot on the other foot?

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    8 hours ago, jnrmac said:

    Jack Darling Bwah ha ha. He is built like Tarzan plays like Jane.. Need I remind you of his GF pearler....

    darling.gif

     

    good point. how about Tippet or Vickery?

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    On 12/07/2017 at 10:35 AM, Demon3564 said:

    This is not a knee jerk to Sunday's game but I've now thought for some time in Hogans absence that our attack is better, more unpredictable without hogan than with him. 

    Sure he is great one-out but it's the second efforts, pressure acts and body language that he lacks that lets us down. 

    At risk of causing the biggest outrage since we traded woewodin, I think we should be pulling out all stops to recruit Leever, trade hogan and play T-Mac forward permanently with Weid, Pedo and watts on the wing/flank. 

    If we don't get Leever I still stand by trading Hogan at season's end provided we re-sign Frost. 

    As I replied to the poster who wanted to trade Tom Mac a couple of months ago, what?

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    On 13/07/2017 at 7:40 PM, jnrmac said:

    Jack Darling Bwah ha ha. He is built like Tarzan plays like Jane.. Need I remind you of his GF pearler....

    darling.gif

     

    You just did.

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    Key backs Frost, omcd, tmcd

    Key forwards: watts hogan Weideman 

    I think one more key forward youngster would be good but a luxury. Perhaps Hayden McLean from the Sandy Dragons as a pick 50 ish smoky this year. Hulett is on the edge of being delisted after 2017.

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    Our tall forwards will be significantly better with Watts, Salem, & Jones delivering the ball to them. Once Max is tappping it to Viney, Jones & Oliver there will also be a few quick kicks coming out of the centre to make a big difference!

    No Watts, Tyson, Viney mean we've been relying on JKH, Stretch, Kent etc as their replacements, it's a massive difference in experience & skills!

     

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    Structure involves 18 players.

    we have been stuffed the last few weeks because our medium forwards (Hannan and Trac) have been sucked into the middle to cover for fallen comrades.  This leaves our best forward structure in tatters.  Jesse and tmac then outnumbered, and the bombs into 50 are just trash.  We get a few guys back in the middle, Trac and Hannan go further forward, Jesse roams at CHF, Jeffie as small forward running back and maybe TMC out of the square.

    then it looks strong.

    Or else Trac to FF to do a Dangerfield, and stuff the structure.

    we do not trade the best 'raging bull' CHF developing in the League.  We develop him.

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    2 hours ago, stevethemanjordan said:

    We have possibly the worst key defence stocks in the AFL.

    It's our most pressing need.

     

    Said all year our defence is the weak link. Leaks goals too easily. Poor one on one pressure and key fwds like Tex, Buddy and Daniher kill us.

    Having said that our delivery to the fwd line was abysmal against Adelaide.

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    Being part of a group means that you stick together through the good and bad times and everybody knows it's harder when things are tough.

     

    Jesse Hogan has had the worst year of his life, from a serious health scare to losing somebody very close. Get off this kids back, let him get his confidence back and he will repay us in spades.

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    OMac, TMac and Frost being floated as the worst KP defenders in the comp is laughable. They've not been superstars, but they're far from the worst.

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