Andrew Leoncelli - Hero

[beelzebub 22,225]

3 minutes ago, Chris said:

I wondered if the delay had anything to do with assessing risks, such as pressure decrease from opening the door setting off explosives, or making sure doors weren't set to set a bomb off if opened. A quote from one cop seems this played a role in the delay, but 90 minutes, seriously long time to leave people in limbo.

yeah....nah  

 

[Moonshadow 16,233]

2 hours ago, beelzebub said:

90 mins to take off a bloke already subdued.

New World record...take a bow VicPol

Makes nsw look keen 

Airports are Federal Police aren't they?

[beelzebub 22,225]

24 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

Airports are Federal Police aren't they?

my bad...take a bow AFP

Edit...takes bows all round

 

Edited June 1, 2017 by beelzebub

[daisycutter 28,569]

31 minutes ago, brendan said:

That's the sort of amateurish [censored] that gets people killed 

so 60 min + 90 min since they were first informed.....outstanding effort.....and not one orange bellied parrot harmed

[Chris 2,892]

11 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

Airports are Federal Police aren't they?

Yes but the SOG group were state as each airport doesn't have an AFP SOG group.

[daisycutter 28,569]

3 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

my bad...take a bow AFP

 

the afp called out the sons of god

[TRIGON 4,718]

4 dream team points for a tackle?

[Sir Why You Little 34,554]

40 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

fmd ...Keystone Cops time 

"It is understood the delay was partly caused by the failure of an on-call officer to respond to an emergency message. 

Officers responding to the crisis were further held up, after being unable to locate firearms and body armour, the source said."

(courtesy of The Aged ) 

Makes you feel all warm and fuzzy...and so safe  

You couldn't write such material that well in a Will Farrel Movie. 

This Country/City is a sitting duck for a huge terror attack and the Federal and State Authorities have absolutely no idea how to handle it, in the slightest. 

If i was on that plane last night i would be on the phone to my Lawyer right away. 

The Commonwealth can pay up

[Sir Why You Little 34,554]

8 minutes ago, Chris said:

Yes but the SOG group were state as each airport doesn't have an AFP SOG group.

Interesting. I thought each Airport had there own assigned SOG's from Federal Departments. 

Live and Learn. 

Things may change now....

[beelzebub 22,225]

In these troubled times with nutters everwhere trying to deliver their " messages" no matter what collateral be the cost it's heartwarming to know we're so well protected.

Thankyou Andrew  ( no 'S'  )

Seriously...some real concerns here. No sooner has a Coroner handed down a report that in essence highlights the paucity of capacity of one  State's ability to react than another situation suggests it's cultural across borders.

This could have gone very badly.

Edited June 1, 2017 by beelzebub

[chook fowler 18,277]

First there was the Lindt siege fiasco, then the Bourke St Mall delay in response, now this. Not looking good for our ability to handle critical incidents.

[Chris 2,892]

18 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Interesting. I thought each Airport had there own assigned SOG's from Federal Departments. 

Live and Learn. 

Things may change now....

I may well be wrong, but I would be surprised if each airport had an entire SOG group on stand by 24/7.

[Wadda We Sing 10,685]

21 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

In these troubled times with nutters everwhere trying to deliver their " messages" no matter what collateral be the cost it's heartwarming to know we're so well protected.

Thankyou Andrew  ( no 'S'  )

Seriously...some real concerns here. No sooner has a Coroner handed down a report that in essence highlights the paucity of capacity of one  State's ability to react than another situation suggests it's cultural across borders.

This could have gone very badly.

I guess the thing is by the sounds of it, this guy was not a real terrorist, rather just a local looney. A serious terrorist would have had a field day, despite Chells BOG performance.

[Sir Why You Little 34,554]

7 minutes ago, Chris said:

I may well be wrong, but I would be surprised if each airport had an entire SOG group on stand by 24/7.

I am not 100% sure either mate, although considering the amount of people who go through just the International Building each day, i would hope Trained Security is close by. 

Last Night was a complete fail. Those passengers are safe because of  cool headed pilots and sheer luck. 

In 90 minutes anything could have happened!

[MadAsHell 4,088]

4 hours ago, jnrmac said:

Welcome to Dan Andrew's Victoria where crime is out of control.

 

[beelzebub 22,225]

33 minutes ago, Wadda We Sing said:

I guess the thing is by the sounds of it, this guy was not a real terrorist, rather just a local looney. A serious terrorist would have had a field day, despite Chells BOG performance.

1) It might be possible to argue anyone running towards the cockpit yelling I have a bomb and am going to blow you up might just qualify him as a .....terrorist. You aren't to know his bonefide until later ( if you're lucky )

2) All terrorists are looneys !!

 

[Chris 2,892]

59 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

I am not 100% sure either mate, although considering the amount of people who go through just the International Building each day, i would hope Trained Security is close by. 

Last Night was a complete fail. Those passengers are safe because of  cool headed pilots and sheer luck. 

In 90 minutes anything could have happened!

From what I heard this morning the Vic SOG group where there within 20 minutes of the call (I assume the call was made before the plain landed but who knows). A response time of 20 minutes out to the airport isn't too bad really. 

If that is from when the call came in from the plain then I would think they would have been there about 10 minutes after the plain landed. That means there is another 80 minutes to account for. 

Take10 minutes for a situation analysis by the SOG and planning (questions like is the bloke armed, is he restrained, what does the 'bomb' look like etc) from the 80 minutes, some more time for nullifying any risks (such as triggered doors etc that I mentioned earlier), this might be another 10 minutes by the time the crew of the plain check doors etc, and there are still another missing 60 minutes!

What the hell were they doing for this hour!

[beelzebub 22,225]

9 minutes ago, Chris said:

From what I heard this morning the Vic SOG group where there within 20 minutes of the call (I assume the call was made before the plain landed but who knows). A response time of 20 minutes out to the airport isn't too bad really. 

If that is from when the call came in from the plain then I would think they would have been there about 10 minutes after the plain landed. That means there is another 80 minutes to account for. 

Take10 minutes for a situation analysis by the SOG and planning (questions like is the bloke armed, is he restrained, what does the 'bomb' look like etc) from the 80 minutes, some more time for nullifying any risks (such as triggered doors etc that I mentioned earlier), this might be another 10 minutes by the time the crew of the plain check doors etc, and there are still another missing 60 minutes!

What the hell were they doing for this hour!

You don't think  most of that info couldn't have ALREADY been conveyed to the  ground. The nuff nuff was restrained. AIr crew could resume talking to the  cockpit etc.

This just has ballz up painted all over it.

The response team should have been ready and waiting for that plane..  should have already been pretty well worded up..I mean ffs it's what they're supposed to do ..isn;t it ?

[Moonshadow 16,233]

2 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

You don't think  most of that info couldn't have ALREADY been conveyed to the  ground. The nuff nuff was restrained. AIr crew could resume talking to the  cockpit etc.

This just has ballz up painted all over it.

The response team should have been ready and waiting for that plane..  should have already been pretty well worded up..I mean ffs it's what they're supposed to do ..isn;t it ?

We're they led by Russell Coight? 

[Chris 2,892]

2 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

You don't think  most of that info couldn't have ALREADY been conveyed to the  ground. The nuff nuff was restrained. AIr crew could resume talking to the  cockpit etc.

This just has ballz up painted all over it.

The response team should have been ready and waiting for that plane..  should have already been pretty well worded up..I mean ffs it's what they're supposed to do ..isn;t it ?

Agreed. I was being generous with my time allocations but the process is what you are talking about being done before they are even there. Even doing a second check of all decisions after the plain landed they are left with a lot of time unaccounted for!

[beelzebub 22,225]

28 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

We're they led by Russell Coight? 

Some bloke called Wiggum i think 

[Sir Why You Little 34,554]

Just now, beelzebub said:

Some bloke called Wiggum i think 

"Suspect is Hatless...Repeat...Hatless..."

[Wadda We Sing 10,685]

54 minutes ago, Chris said:

From what I heard this morning the Vic SOG group where there within 20 minutes of the call (I assume the call was made before the plain landed but who knows). A response time of 20 minutes out to the airport isn't too bad really. 

If that is from when the call came in from the plain then I would think they would have been there about 10 minutes after the plain landed. That means there is another 80 minutes to account for. 

Take10 minutes for a situation analysis by the SOG and planning (questions like is the bloke armed, is he restrained, what does the 'bomb' look like etc) from the 80 minutes, some more time for nullifying any risks (such as triggered doors etc that I mentioned earlier), this might be another 10 minutes by the time the crew of the plain check doors etc, and there are still another missing 60 minutes!

What the hell were they doing for this hour!

I like the Krispy Kreme doughnut theory....

Edited June 1, 2017 by Wadda We Sing

[John Crow Batty 8,256]

My sources confirm that Batman and Robin were called to deal with the highjacker but were held up because they were fighting a penguin at St Kilda pier.

[beelzebub 22,225]

2 minutes ago, america de cali said:

My sources confirm that Batman and Robin were called to deal with the highjacker but were held up because they were fighting a penguin at St Kilda pier.

You must be Joking ! Itd be Freezing.

So, what has many legs and is toothless ??????¿