I have read a lot of stuff in the Casey thread about Gus's latest Headknock.

I think this deserves its own thread.

In previous threads I have seriuosly questioned whether Gus should go on.

I do not do this lightly. My son's footy career is finished with a series of injuries not Concusion related but in his early twenties that's it. I am not pleased that his career is over but glad his body doesnt have to put up with any more trauma!

As a Father, Supporter and Member, I would seriously have the question the long term effects and want Cast Iron guarantess that Gus will not have any short term or long term effects from the "Battery" of concusions he has now had by playing on.

 After seeing the Will Smith movie "Concussion" If you havent seen it do yourself a favour and go watch it. It is based on TRUE U.S story about many Gridiron players suffering long term effects from repeated head knocks. And remember these guys wear helmets!

Remembering Daniel Bell and others, I spose you do want to give the boy every chance and I hope I'm not overreacting and yes, I know the club will be ultra cautious and put his health first but at the end of the day.if he was my son.....

 

It's a shame he has copped another knock and will just have to wait and see how it plays out, if the doctors give him the ok well the decision to keep going will be upto him, I hope he gets back and reaches his potential but unfortunately the AFL is full of hard luck stories with players  who are just flat out unlucky and it's looking like this could be 1 of those stories 

46 minutes ago, picket fence said:

And remember these guys wear helmets.

The pads and helmets are why they suffer so many concussions

29 minutes ago, brendan said:

It's a shame he has copped another knock and will just have to wait and see how it plays out, if the doctors give him the ok well the decision to keep going will be upto him, I hope he gets back and reaches his potential but unfortunately the AFL is full of hard luck stories with players  who are just flat out unlucky and it's looking like this could be 1 of those stories 

Should Brayshaw and the club be looking at preventive measures ie, helmet

Life is more 

2 minutes ago, dee4ever said:

Should Brayshaw and the club be looking at preventive measures ie, helmet

I don't think helmets do much, someone else might know more but I'm pretty sure if you get hit hard enough a helmet wont make any difference 

Kid is cooked. Will be surprised if he makes it after this. 

Long term health comes first.

1 minute ago, brendan said:

I don't think helmets do much, someone else might know more but I'm pretty sure if you get hit hard enough a helmet wont make any difference 

Helmets are only useful for preventing skull fractures and cuts, this is why helmets do nothing for concussion:

 

1 minute ago, Rafiki said:

Helmets are only useful for preventing skull fractures and cuts, this is why helmets do nothing for concussion:

 

A heavy helmet can actually make concussion worse...

Early reports are that he will be ok.

Everything else is guess work...

Unless one of you chaps are his doctor of course. 

Is it the way he plays?

Do opposition target him?

Is he susceptible to concussion from moderate head-knocks?

Lots of variables for our medical staff to consider but there is no doubt that in this day and age, they take the ultra-cautious path - and so they should.

It makes me think just how much this must affect a young players burgeoning career.

I've heard it said that sometimes helmets can have a reverse effect, in that they can give the wearer a false sense of security so they take higher/more risks. Can't remember if this theory was for sports people or gen population cyclists. 

But is is widely accepted that helmets help prevent cuts and skull fractures but not concussion.

17 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

I've heard it said that sometimes helmets can have a reverse effect, in that they can give the wearer a false sense of security so they take higher/more risks. Can't remember if this theory was for sports people or gen population cyclists. 

But is is widely accepted that helmets help prevent cuts and skull fractures but not concussion.

Correct. 

But Helmets actually increase the Surface Area of potential damage...

18 minutes ago, McQueen said:

Is it the way he plays?

He's obviously been unlucky, but he just never looks to be fully in control.

I describe him as a "messy" footballer, I can't explain this it's just gut instinct I have with him.

I'm probably thinking what many are thinking.

There's more to life than Footy Gus.

20 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

I've heard it said that sometimes helmets can have a reverse effect, in that they can give the wearer a false sense of security so they take higher/more risks. Can't remember if this theory was for sports people or gen population cyclists. 

But is is widely accepted that helmets help prevent cuts and skull fractures but not concussion.

Yep. There's a saying in the NFL "see what you hit" but the facts are you tend to lead with the head when you're wearing a helmet. Which leads to way more head (and neck) injuries. 

 

It's bad luck for Gus. We were ultra cautious with Nev, let's hope we do the same with Gus and he comes out the other side just as well as Nev has. 

If not, there's more to life than football. 

See Casey thread, overreaction went from rest a game, take the year off, to his career is done. 

Then the people in the know said he should for next week

you have to laugh

1 minute ago, DubDee said:

See Casey thread, overreaction went from rest a game, take the year off, to his career is done. 

Then the people in the know said he should for next week

you have to laugh

Post^ needs a concussion test.

He was one of the best young footballers of his draft year.  He has shown plenty of promise, but has had a few 'bumps' on his road.  Many young players suffer injuries, but make it,

I wish Gus all the best - to get over this, apparently small, setback; and for being able to deliver his best football to help the Dees create something special.  He was sent back to Casey for a reason, so I hope he can get back and leave no doubt he should be in the firsts.

I hope he's ok and has a long successful career with the Dees. If the medical staff recommended he needs time off to reduce further risk then that's what happens. Helmets won't help prevent further concussion and I'm not sure it's the way he plays either. It's hard to nail down why it keeps happening but I hope he's ok.

1 hour ago, McQueen said:

Is it the way he plays?

The kid does have a fair size melon on him

1 hour ago, McQueen said:

Is it the way he plays?

Do opposition target him?

Is he susceptible to concussion from moderate head-knocks?

Lots of variables for our medical staff to consider but there is no doubt that in this day and age, they take the ultra-cautious path - and so they should.

It makes me think just how much this must affect a young players burgeoning career.

Is it the way he plays? Didn't we at one stage have to remodel Viney's body-positioning or approach to packs or tackles or something?

Is he susceptible to concussions from moderate head-knocks? I'm scratching my brain trying to come up with an ethical way to test for this.

 

1 hour ago, Rafiki said:

Helmets are only useful for preventing skull fractures and cuts, this is why helmets do nothing for concussion:

 

I have never stopped to think exactly what happens in a concussion. If that image is accurate it is scary.  I can see why it can do serious long term damage, why some retire early and why head high contact is now taken more seriously than ever. Might watch a video on concussion and get educated.

Does former Board member, Peter Dohrman, still post here?  I know he used to  

Emminent neurosurgeon - I am sure he could offer a far more expert opinion not necessarily on Gus but on modern management and disgnosis of concussion than anyone else here. 

1 minute ago, Petraccattack said:

I have never stopped to think exactly what happens in a concussion. If that image is accurate it is scary.  I can see why it can do serious long term damage, why some retire early and why head high contact is now taken more seriously than ever. Might watch a video on concussion and get educated.

Usually taken seriously, but I suspect the Pedo and Col Sylvia may beg to differ.