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If you were to rank the KPPs in terms of sheer quality, would Frost even be in the top half dozen btw the two clubs?

Talia, Lever, T Mac, O Mac, Kelly, Keath, Frost, Hartigan, Garland, Keilty, Dear...

If Frost was the make weight to get the deal done, I'd take it in a heartbeat

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51 minutes ago, Cards13 said:

 

Such a tough one, you have to give to get but I think Frosty has something that would be tough to lose. His pace for his size is exceptional, if he can tidy up he disposal some and keep the intensity high then he is a lock for each game. I'd have him ahead of Oscar.

Frost is depth, he would only be a big loss if we were competing in the footy olympics.

He's never going to tidy his disposal at AFL level because it's his decision making that's the problem and it's hard to fix.

If he's a part of getting Lever over the line then it's a no brainer...

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2 minutes ago, DemonAndrew said:

If you were to rank the KPPs in terms of sheer quality, would Frost even be in the top half dozen btw the two clubs?

Talia, Lever, T Mac, O Mac, Kelly, Keath, Frost, Hartigan, Garland, Keilty, Dear...

If Frost was the make weight to get the deal done, I'd take it in a heartbeat

In terms of quality as a stand alone player, spot on.  However when putting a backline together, ideally you're looking for a variety of complimentary skillsets.  Frost's strengths are his speed, athleticism and ability to break the lines; his weakness is his disposal.  In a more technically skilful backline such as Adelaide's, Frost could excel by complimenting the players they already have.

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1 hour ago, Cards13 said:

Love the thought of Lever but Frost would be a big loss.

Frost can't get a game,  don't understand why he would be a big loss. 

He has some speed but his defensive work and skills are average

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58 minutes ago, Cards13 said:

 

Such a tough one, you have to give to get but I think Frosty has something that would be tough to lose. His pace for his size is exceptional, if he can tidy up he disposal some and keep the intensity high then he is a lock for each game. I'd have him ahead of Oscar.

Do you think?

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6 minutes ago, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

In terms of quality as a stand alone player, spot on.  However when putting a backline together, ideally you're looking for a variety of complimentary skillsets.  Frost's strengths are his speed, athleticism and ability to break the lines; his weakness is his disposal.  In a more technically skilful backline such as Adelaide's, Frost could excel by complimenting the players they already have.

"You mean all I have to do is get it, sprint out of defence and then bomb it long into empty space for Eddie & Tex?" Would be on Sams mind.

Our Defence already contains Hunt and Hibberd for our athletic sprinting out of defence, both have way more upside on their disposal

Edited August 23, 2017 by Wrecked Owl Dees Function

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1 minute ago, Wrecked Owl Dees Function said:

"You mean all I have to do is get it, sprint out of defence and then bomb it long into empty space for Eddie & Tex?" 

Our Defence already contains Hunt and Hibberd for our athletic run out of defence.

Nowadays that sometimes all you need to do.  

Hunt does offer that element to our side, Frost however would overtake Hibberd at a canter.

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I think our 1st pick (12) and Frost would be a fair trade for Lever too beaver...

Jon Ralph has Lever coming to the Dees and naming us as 2018 premiership favourites. Lol

 

 

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Just now, Dee tention said:

I think our 1st pick (12) and Frost would be a fair trade for Lever too beaver...

Jon Ralph has Lever coming to the Dees and naming us as 2018 premiership favourites. Lol

 

 

I've always rated Jon Ralph.

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I have to say it is looking very likely Lever is coming to the dees. The noise has been consistent, it seems a given he is leaving and the dees seem to be the favorite among journos etc

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1 hour ago, Wiseblood said:

Possibly, but what harm does it do to have him there for another year?  

Given it's the last year of his contract next year and he wasn't even best 22 before he did his injury, he'd be taking a valuable development year off a draftee.

I'd say there's quite some harm in that. 

 

1 hour ago, Cards13 said:

Love the thought of Lever but Frost would be a big loss.

Frost is one of the most overrated players on this forum. 

He'd be absolutely no loss if we got Lever.

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2 minutes ago, stevethemanjordan said:

Given it's the last year of his contract next year and he wasn't even best 22 before he did his injury, he'd be taking a valuable development year off a draftee.

I'd say there's quite some harm in that. 

 

Frost is one of the most overrated players on this forum. 

He'd be absolutely no loss if we got Lever.

Hardly.

One more year as coverage is not going to hurt us in the slightest.  I'd rather him there than have to potentially put faith in an unknown draftee.  

Having said that, if Frost was still on the list then fair enough.  But if Frost were potentially used in the deal then I can see more benefit in keeping Garland on the list.

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1 hour ago, Wiseblood said:

I've always rated Jon Ralph.

No, you haven... ooohhhhh, I see what you did there...

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Jon Ralph sucks.

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Jon Ralph pls 

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2 hours ago, stevethemanjordan said:

Given it's the last year of his contract next year and he wasn't even best 22 before he did his injury, he'd be taking a valuable development year off a draftee.

I'd say there's quite some harm in that. 

 

Frost is one of the most overrated players on this forum. 

He'd be absolutely no loss if we got Lever.

I wouldnt write Frost off. He has some flaws for sure but he also has lightning pace, can take a mark and is strong.

I'd be happy if we was a Lever for Frost swap of course but having both would give us some flexibility.

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Anyone get the sense that the Macdonald brothers have formed a bargaining bloc? And if so, can anyone recall anything similar ever happening in the past?

Don't want to add to the can-of-worms, but if we got Lever I would prefer Frost over Omac. Sam adds a different dimension to the mix, and I think would form quite a formidable attacking ensemble with Hunt - while Frost, Nev and Hibberd reliably hold down the fort.

But genuinely think that may not be a possibility if we want to keep Tomald on side.

 

Edited August 23, 2017 by Skuit

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57 minutes ago, Skuit said:

Anyone get the sense that the Macdonald brothers have formed a bargaining bloc? And if so, can anyone recall anything similar ever happening in the past?

Don't want to add to the can-of-worms, but if we got Lever I would prefer Frost over Omac. Sam adds a different dimension to the mix, and I think would form quite a formidable attacking ensemble with Hunt - while Frost, Nev and Hibberd reliably hold down the fort.

But genuinely think that may not be a possibility if we want to keep Tomald on side.

 

It's a little unprofessional on their part, if true. More so, if it was a Tmac move to draft OMac, or he'd split. But I doubt that, as he's a pretty mature guy and buys in. Cant think of a player wielding that much power ever. If you look at the Talia brothers, doesnt seem to be any pressure to draft one to play with the other.

On the topic of Frost v Omac, id leave it up to the coaches as they know who is ticking the boxes. Do we know whos had #1 defender also predominantly while Tmac went forward? Frost is all flare and dash, but one suspects that Omac holds down the fort a little better. We need stats (I'm lazy af)

Edited August 23, 2017 by Wrecked Owl Dees Function

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38 minutes ago, Wrecked Owl Dees Function said:

It's a little unprofessional on their part, if true. More so, if it was a Tmac move to draft OMac, or he'd split. But I doubt that, as he's a pretty mature guy and buys in. Cant think of a player wielding that much power ever. If you look at the Talia brothers, doesnt seem to be any pressure to draft one to play with the other.

On the topic of Frost v Omac, id leave it up to the coaches as they know who is ticking the boxes. Do we know whos had #1 defender also predominantly while Tmac went forward? Frost is all flare and dash, but one suspects that Omac holds down the fort a little better. We need stats (I'm lazy af)

I'm not so much concerned that Omac wasn't drafted on his own merits but that it may cause some ructions if he was jettisoned in favour of Frost when they're both performing at about the same level. Didn't the Macs sign together at the same time for the same length or am I completely imaging that?

Also, I consider Omac as Tmac/Lever-light, whereas Frost has other weapons. So although I prefer Frost over Omac generally, in the sense of bringing in Lever and keeping Frost ahead of Omac, t's more a matter of personnel balance and having a ultra-dynamic back-line.

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I can see the attraction of Frost to the Crows.  They don't have a fast-running-take-the-game-on defender.  We have Hunt and Frost. 

Both have one speed, more or less in a straight line with poor composure.  Both players need to improve those 3 elements of their play.  But I think a team can only really afford one with those deficiencies in a side.  So we keep Hunt and Crows get Frost and both keep working on their deficiencies. 

If we get Lever and let Frost go it would suggest the club is confident of re-signing Oscar and Tom. 

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3 hours ago, Skuit said:

Anyone get the sense that the Macdonald brothers have formed a bargaining bloc? And if so, can anyone recall anything similar ever happening in the past?

Don't want to add to the can-of-worms, but if we got Lever I would prefer Frost over Omac. Sam adds a different dimension to the mix, and I think would form quite a formidable attacking ensemble with Hunt - while Frost, Nev and Hibberd reliably hold down the fort.

But genuinely think that may not be a possibility if we want to keep Tomald on side.

No!  What makes you think this? 

Tom and Oscar are in totally different contract positions.  Tom is an UFA next year so he will be looking at all his options, regardless of what happens with little bro. 

And, Oscar is more than good enough to earn a contract in his own right without being carried on big bro's coat tails.  There will be other clubs coming at Oscar next year! 

It is really important to sign Tom up asap to avoid a UFA media beat up in 2018.  Last time he signed for only 2 years because he wanted to see how the club progressed.  He has his answer.  I think he will stay on a long term contract.  He wouldn't want to bail now. 

 

...Hopefully, this doesn't derail the Lever thread to a Mcdonald thread but felt it important to ask for clarification on the 'Macdonald brother bloc' theory before people start giving it credence and I wanted to show why they are in completely different contract positions so are not interdependent.

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4 hours ago, Skuit said:

Anyone get the sense that the Macdonald brothers have formed a bargaining bloc? And if so, can anyone recall anything similar ever happening in the past?

Don't want to add to the can-of-worms, but if we got Lever I would prefer Frost over Omac. Sam adds a different dimension to the mix, and I think would form quite a formidable attacking ensemble with Hunt - while Frost, Nev and Hibberd reliably hold down the fort.

But genuinely think that may not be a possibility if we want to keep Tomald on side.

 

yes trade a Macdonald for Lever

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Joel Macdonald retired years ago...

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1 hour ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

I can see the attraction of Frost to the Crows.  They don't have a fast-running-take-the-game-on defender.

I think Smith & Laird would could be considered as take the game on defenders.

Happy for them to take Frost if they want him as part of the Lever deal.

We definitely need to add class to our back 6...Lever with Hibberd balances out the team nicely.

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Comments from player agent Paul Conner:

"He (Lever) comes home citing family concerns and lands at Melbourne. They become the 2018 premiership favorite,” he predicted.

 

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12 minutes ago, Grand New Flag said:

Comments from player agent Paul Conner:

"He (Lever) comes home citing family concerns and lands at Melbourne. They become the 2018 premiership favorite,” he predicted.

 

Huh? Can we get a link to that please