3 hours ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

The same Wayne Campbell that captained Richmond 2001 to 2004?

Out of interest, how do you know what instructions were given to the teams...

I don't, but when one team seems very confused with interpretation, and they are on top of the ladder, mind you (and would be well aware of stepping off mark,going for mark and infringing,etc) and the other team knows, who, and this is how today, etc, who would you like to be on.

Just now, willmoy said:

I don't, but when one team seems very confused with interpretation, and they are on top of the ladder, mind you (and would be well aware of stepping off mark,going for mark and infringing,etc) and the other team knows, who, and this is how today, etc, who would you like to be on.

...and LH they were not happy, might come out in the wash......

Adelaide are reported in the Herald Sun to be reluctant to take 10 and 27 for Lever. No doubt it is only a coincidence that Adelaide refused Carlton's demand for two first rounders for Gibbs last year.

IS Jake Lever’s expected move to Melbourne on the rocks?

16 minutes ago, Tony Tea said:

Adelaide are reported in the Herald Sun to be reluctant to take 10 and 27 for Lever. No doubt it is only a coincidence that Adelaide refused Carlton's demand for two first rounders for Gibbs last year.

IS Jake Lever’s expected move to Melbourne on the rocks?

If they refuse the picks they risk getting nothing, I’m sure dees could get him through to pick 10

44 minutes ago, Tony Tea said:

Adelaide are reported in the Herald Sun to be reluctant to take 10 and 27 for Lever. No doubt it is only a coincidence that Adelaide refused Carlton's demand for two first rounders for Gibbs last year.

IS Jake Lever’s expected move to Melbourne on the rocks?

What if JW goes to Sydney. We get their 2nd draft pick (31) and Swans swap their 1st pick (14) with Adelaides (16) to sweeten the Lever offer?

I know some will say unders for Jack but we have devalued him this past week.

Edited October 2, 20178 yr by Crystal Dees
Correcting draft #'s

9 hours ago, Clint Bizkit said:

We have three tall defenders in the McDonald's and Frost (plus Hibberd and Jetta as stalwarts down back) and we are looking at giving up the farm for another?

Don't get me wrong, Lever is a gun but I'd much rather we go after another midfielder or simply use the draft picks in the draft.

Neither OMac nor Frost showed enough this year for any of us to be 100% convinced.

I'm much more positive about OMac than, say, STMJ, but I still accept that he isn't anything certain.

Bringing Lever in will likely make his job much, much easier. 

It also allows us to do one, and maybe both, of two things:

1. play TMac forward (his best football in 2017 was, in my view undoubtedly, as a forward); and
2. release Hibberd, who spent too much time this year being forced to play as the third tall.

9 hours ago, Clint Bizkit said:

Even still, we need midfielders more than we need Lever.

Until a quality midfielder becomes available, this is a nothing argument.

There isn't currently a midfielder available who promises what Lever promises. 

Besides which, I think if we bring Lever in and can release Hibberd further up the ground that will assist with part of our current midfield problem.

That said, I don't believe Lever is worth two first round draft picks. I think Adelaide is posturing, and fair enough too, but if that becomes the true asking price I wouldn't pay it. 

47 minutes ago, Tony Tea said:

Adelaide are reported in the Herald Sun to be reluctant to take 10 and 27 for Lever. No doubt it is only a coincidence that Adelaide refused Carlton's demand for two first rounders for Gibbs last year.

IS Jake Lever’s expected move to Melbourne on the rocks?

Totally different situation...Carlton held the whip hand because Gibbs was still contracted for a few more years.

Lever is out of contract, they can't hold him.

Would he last till our pick 10 in the draft with a price on his head, luke ball got to his destination when he did it, pies might swoop with 6 but can they match the salary 

I'm convinced 10 and 27 is a fair deal. So our job is to offer something lower publicly and then we can go up to 10 and 27 and save face with the Crows who have lost a heap of young players and need to look tough.

Of course we can't make an offer public until Lever declares his interest to us and the trade period starts. 

12 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

I'm convinced 10 and 27 is a fair deal.

Im not.

They would need to add a 3rd rounder, no way should we give up two good assets for Lever.

Just a thought if the Crows don't budge on two first round picks. Would we be able to snare Sydney's first round pick as part of the potential Watts deal?

As a basis, Watts + Pick 27 to Sydney for their first round pick (pick 13).

Picks 10 + 13 to Adelaide for Lever.

 

5 minutes ago, Demon Jack said:

Just a thought if the Crows don't budge on two first round picks. Would we be able to snare Sydney's first round pick as part of the potential Watts deal?

As a basis, Watts + Pick 27 to Sydney for their first round pick (pick 13).

Picks 10 + 13 to Adelaide for Lever.

 

So that would be picks 10, 27 and Watts for Lever...Jaysus!!

If that was the case, let him go to Collingwood!

Geelong gave up picks 9 and 28 for Dangerfield.

Coughing up 10 and 27 would be a slap in the face for our clubs negotiation skills.

Lever may be a decent player...but he is nowhere near a Patrick Dangerfield!

9 minutes ago, Beetle said:

Geelong gave up picks 9 and 28 for Dangerfield.

Coughing up 10 and 27 would be a slap in the face for our clubs negotiation skills.

Lever may be a decent player...but he is nowhere near a Patrick Dangerfield!

Not apples with apples. Danger was a free agent. 

In Taylor we trust.

hits more targets by foot than danger and is seven years younger

10 & 27 for Lever is overs.  He is a backman who intercepts marks and punches the footy.  

Not a star midfielder.  Not a key forward match winner. Not a commanding key back. Defender.  Townsend (a dumped Giant) and him broke even on GF day.  

 Adelaide will see how nice we are to them, and let us have Lever reasonably, because we have shown them they need to invest in more runners and not more backmen plain and simple....

If lever needs to go to the pre season draft he can put huge $$ on his head and we can keep picks 10/27 as well

1 hour ago, Moonshadow said:

Not apples with apples. Danger was a free agent. 

In Taylor we trust.

He was a Restricted Free Agent and Adelaide said they’d match the Cats offer which forced Cats to trade picks. 

Lever is actually easier because as an in contracted player he can just walk and Crows can’t stop him. He can use Luke Ball trick. Put a ridiculous price on his head and say he’ll only take one year at any other Club and then go in the draft again. No Club would touch him and he goes to Dees and Crows get nothing. He goes to us and then negotiates a 5 year deal or whatever and the first year price is absorbed into the contract. Ultimately that is why Crows will have to be reasonable. Im sure I t won’t get to that. Also sure Lever won’t want to leave that way unless absolutely forced. 

6 minutes ago, Abe said:

If lever needs to go to the pre season draft he can put huge $$ on his head and we can keep picks 10/27 as well

Does he go into pre season draft or national draft. In same scenario Ball went into the National draft and he went all the way through toCollingwood’s pick 30. 

Just now, It's Time said:

Does he go into pre season draft or national draft. In same scenario Ball went into the National draft and he went all the way through toCollingwood’s pick 30. 

I’d go national draft. I think the pies would be reluctant to use pick 6 on him. They would be the risk. Also the saints with their two picks 

1 hour ago, Moonshadow said:

Not apples with apples. Danger was a free agent. 

In Taylor we trust.

Also older. Lever has his whole career ahead of him.

11 minutes ago, Abe said:

I’d go national draft. I think the pies would be reluctant to use pick 6 on him. They would be the risk. Also the saints with their two picks 

Do you know if he get a choice or does the system dictate the draft?

6 hours ago, titan_uranus said:

Until a quality midfielder becomes available, this is a nothing argument.

No it's not, you can trade for contracted players.

Everyone and every team has a price.

If we give up two 1st round draft picks for Lever, I'd be [censored], I'll renew my membership still, but the club would be pushing my limits. ?