Welcome to Demonland: Jake Lever

[Watts the matter 1,235]

Just now, stevethemanjordan said:

Cool, I take it you don't watch much of him.

Perhaps you watched the game against West Coast and made up your mind?

No, I would say I've watched probably 70% of his games this year.

Coffs up Tom McDonald style goals most games I see. Rarely plays on good players and is part of the best backline combination in the AFL.

What do you disagree with from what I said?

Is 16 possessions a good return fora 3rd tall?

Is he a better than average kick?

Is he quick?

Does he play on good players? Name some he has played in if so.

Are Smith and Laird not good runners?

[pineapple dee 2,892]

12 minutes ago, binman said:

Shhh.

Lever is going to be the greatest defender of his generation. Better than Rance (so much more advanced at the same age i can hear the acolytes whisper).  And so young. So much potential. Will be the best recruit the dees have ever had.

Even better than Diamond John Tilbrook or Kelvin Templton? Would need to be very good then !!!!

[beelzebub 23,382]

18 minutes ago, binman said:

Shhh.

Lever is going to be the greatest defender of his generation. Better than Rance (so much more advanced at the same age i can hear the acolytes whisper).  And so young. So much potential. Will be the best recruit the dees have ever had.

Wow..you know I wasn't going to get excited, because, well, you know how these things go but by crikey that's it !!  Where's the lid opener??? 

[binman 43,717]

 

22 minutes ago, stevethemanjordan said:

I find it hard to see how he is 'overrated' given what he is managing at this age. I'm pretty sure he was named in the AA extended squad.

It would be like saying Oliver is overrated. But somehow I don't think you'd believe that given your bias.

Some supporters have NFI about talent from other clubs. Those who suggest Lever is overrated usually fit that bracket.

You're funny Steve. Surely to goodness you realised i was having a joke and this quote is an attempt at irony. My bias? Surely you are jesting? Your Lever bias is more than a little concerning. 

But if you didn't get my joke i'll spell it out

Lever is a terrific player. No question. I have never said any different. I hope we get him. But it doesn't a take a football talent savant to have worked out Lever is a really good player. 

Few if any people overrate him. With perhaps one exception. You. The way you rave about him $850 would be a steal. 

[stevethemanjordan 6,952]

Just now, binman said:

Few if any people overrate him. With perhaps one exception. You. The way you rave about him $850 would be a steal. 

$850 would indeed be a steal.

[spirit of norm smith 16,574]

How does Lever trade get done????

Lever & Crows 2nd round #36

for 

Frost & Dees 1st round pick 10

[daisycutter 29,711]

40 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Does he have mail?  It sounds like he is making out he does to cover himself in case it happens:

"...There’s people at Melbourne whispering to other people that they believe that Lever may have had a verbal commitment to join Melbourne,” Robinson said...That’s just speculation..."

Doesn't sound convincing! 

Maybe he is listening to the same Melbourne people who thought we were in the finals...

so......whispering jack is the one with loose lips?

[Demonstone 22,794]

17 minutes ago, pineapple dee said:

Even better than Diamond John Tilbrook

In 1972 our under 15s footy trip was to Kardinia Park to watch Geelong v Melbourne.  Tilbrook was playing full back in the seconds that day and his kickouts were regularly reaching the centre.  He kicked it so hard, the BANG! would echo around the still empty ground like a rifle shot.  From memory, the seniors had a big win later that day.  Sorry, realise this is off topic!

[thevil1 421]

3 minutes ago, spirit of norm smith said:

How does Lever trade get done????

Lever & Crows 2nd round #36

for 

Frost & Dees 1st round pick 10

If they take frost & pick 10 for him its a steal, no way we get a 2nd rounder back imo. Its likely our starting position & would possibly require a swap/downgrade on later picks on top.

Its been reported they'll push for 2 x 1st rounders for him. Frost is worth an early 2nd at best. We got frost, plus picks used on anb & o.mac for an early 2nd round pick.....

[Ethan Tremblay 30,962]

Lever has verbally committed to having a career full of misery commencing from 2018. 

[daisycutter 29,711]

2 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

Lever has verbally committed to having a career full of misery commencing from 2018. 

bound to be our next whipping boy

[beelzebub 23,382]

Just now, daisycutter said:

bound to be our next whipping boy

Jack must be very excited

[jnrmac 20,154]

On 8/31/2017 at 11:05 AM, Petraccattack said:

We must have been told Josh Kelly isnt interested in MFC, or hes staying at GWS. Unless something's happening behind the scenes.

Would hope we are making Kelly priority 1 if he is available.  Lever a distant 2nd. 

How stupid would we look to have traded pick 2 and then pay $10m for Kelly a couple of years later. We have done some dumb deals but I'd be pretty sure this isnt going to be one of them.

[Adam The God 30,403]

1 hour ago, Petraccattack said:

According to Slobbo, Lever has verbally committed to the Dees.

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2017/09/02/lever-has-verbal-commitment-to-dees-robbo/

 

 

We will soon see how good the drunkards mail is.

The Drunk One is hedging his bets. If it doesn't eventuate, he can claim it was only verbal and fell over.

[beelzebub 23,382]

14 minutes ago, spirit of norm smith said:

How does Lever trade get done????

Lever & Crows 2nd round #36

for 

Frost & Dees 1st round pick 10

I dont know if that WILL be it...but  it might be or something like it.  Have always thought its be  blokes and picks etc.

[beelzebub 23,382]

Just now, A F said:

The Drunk One is hedging his bets. If it doesn't eventuate, he can claim it was only verbal and fell over.

do you mean ...the deal fell over

or

he fell over afterwards ?? 

[Adam The God 30,403]

Just now, beelzebub said:

do you mean ...the deal fell over

or

he fell over afterwards ?? 

Column A and B, bb.

Another thought occurred to me. When Lever was first spoken of around draft time, some people (was Roos included? I doubt it) were talking Lever up as a player who could eventually roll into the midfield. I can't see it personally, but could we have an eye on him for our midfield, as well as our defensive unit?

[Ethan Tremblay 30,962]

21 minutes ago, A F said:

The Drunk One is hedging his bets. If it doesn't eventuate, he can claim it was only verbal and fell over.

Is Mark Robinson GNF? 

[stevethemanjordan 6,952]

1 hour ago, Watts the matter said:

No, I would say I've watched probably 70% of his games this year.

Coffs up Tom McDonald style goals most games I see. Rarely plays on good players and is part of the best backline combination in the AFL.

What do you disagree with from what I said?

Is 16 possessions a good return fora 3rd tall?

Is he a better than average kick?

Is he quick?

Does he play on good players? Name some he has played in if so.

Are Smith and Laird not good runners?

I'm tempted to make a long-winded post in regards to all points, but I genuinely can't be farked so I'll say the following.

Your general reductionist view of 'the third tall' means you're unable to see what makes Lever such a truly special player. Given the way the game is now played with zone defences, the need for versatility, agility, marking and spoiling skills are more important than ever when it comes to key defenders. 

Lever is the number one intercept mark in the AFL at age 22. The same age as Oscar and similar games experience. You grossly underestimate this rare skill he possesses. Knowing when and where to run to make an intercept mark or spoil. He is elite in this area. Better than Hibberd. 

I'm going to again post a video of a highlights package from his second year. None of our key defenders even come close to impacting the marking contests that Lever wills himself to. Oscar simply doesn't have the speed nor intensity, Frost doesn't have the game understanding or awareness and Tom is similarly hit and miss with contests. 

Lever is a [censored] amazing footballer at 22 years of age and the reason club's are offering the money is because of how good an intercept player he is. He is the prototype key defender.

 

 

Edited September 2, 2017 by stevethemanjordan

[whatwhat say what 22,909]

46 minutes ago, stevethemanjordan said:

I'm tempted to make a long-winded post in regards to all points, but I genuinely can't be farked so I'll say the following.

Your general reductionist view of 'the third tall' means you're unable to see what makes Lever such a truly special player. Given the way the game is now played with zone defences, the need for versatility, agility, marking and spoiling skills are more important than ever when it comes to key defenders. 

Lever is the number one intercept mark in the AFL at age 22. The same age as Oscar and similar games experience. You grossly underestimate this rare skill he possesses. Knowing when and where to run to make an intercept mark or spoil. He is elite in this area. Better than Hibberd. 

I'm going to again post a video of a highlights package from his second year. None of our key defenders even come close to impacting the marking contests that Lever wills himself to. Oscar simply doesn't have the speed nor intensity, Frost doesn't have the game understanding or awareness and Tom is similarly hit and miss with contests. 

Lever is a [censored] amazing footballer at 22 years of age and the reason club's are offering the money is because of how good an intercept player he is. He is the prototype key defender.

this is pretty much my thoughts on this kid

he's a far better kick than most on here are giving him credit for being, and coupled with his intercept prowess - which went to another level again in the back half of the year, as he started marking rather than simply spoiling (and boy, when he spoils, he KILLS the contest) - he's the ideal man to have as part of a zone defence

i would suspect if he is contemplating coming to us (and i really, really hope he is) then part of the appeal would be that the zone he's asked to play is pretty much tailor-made for his natural abilities

[rjay 25,063]

For those not so enamoured with getting Lever...think Josh Gibson, who would have guessed he would be the player he became. Yet this guy is a no brainer, at worst he's going to be a very good player.

We're cherry picking to build a team people.

We either sit on our hands or do something proactive. The football department have marked KPD as a weakness from last season, this hasn't changed.

I like the approach, we need some class down back.

[Dr. Gonzo 24,273]

2 hours ago, Petraccattack said:

According to Slobbo, Lever has verbally committed to the Dees.

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2017/09/02/lever-has-verbal-commitment-to-dees-robbo/

 

 

We will soon see how good the drunkards mail is.

Hopefully not getting ahead of themselves. I thought we'd stopped the leaks coming out of the club. Pretty unprofessional and if I was Lever I'd be [censored].

[dieter 3,325]

1 hour ago, stevethemanjordan said:

I'm tempted to make a long-winded post in regards to all points, but I genuinely can't be farked so I'll say the following.

Your general reductionist view of 'the third tall' means you're unable to see what makes Lever such a truly special player. Given the way the game is now played with zone defences, the need for versatility, agility, marking and spoiling skills are more important than ever when it comes to key defenders. 

Lever is the number one intercept mark in the AFL at age 22. The same age as Oscar and similar games experience. You grossly underestimate this rare skill he possesses. Knowing when and where to run to make an intercept mark or spoil. He is elite in this area. Better than Hibberd. 

I'm going to again post a video of a highlights package from his second year. None of our key defenders even come close to impacting the marking contests that Lever wills himself to. Oscar simply doesn't have the speed nor intensity, Frost doesn't have the game understanding or awareness and Tom is similarly hit and miss with contests. 

Lever is a [censored] amazing footballer at 22 years of age and the reason club's are offering the money is because of how good an intercept player he is. He is the prototype key defender.

 

 

T'would make my day if he came to the Demons.

[DemonOX 8,800]

On 30/08/2017 at 4:45 PM, DemonAndrew said:

All the talk at the moment is that it's btw Dees and Footscray; Crows would prefer he went to Pies cos they're prepared to give up pick 6, but Lever's preference is Melbourne

The $$ have been pushed up by Footscray's offer, as to whether or not we are matching that valuation is another matter

I was told yesterday it's a "done deal" but we shall see

Ain't nothin done till the paper work is signed and he's in a melb polo doin a presser. 

I take NOTHING for granted. 

[Brayshaw Self 847]

FFS he was in the All Australian squad at 21 years of age and people here are saying his stats aren't good enough???