Welcome to Demonland: Jake Lever

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Makes sense that Collingwood would want him.

Every team would want him.

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33 minutes ago, rpfc said:

Makes sense that Collingwood would want him.

Every team would want him.

St. Kilda didn't!

Thank you Saints.

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11 hours ago, Skuit said:

I'm curious. For those with the patience to venture onto opposition fan-sites, which Demons players have sparked 30-page discussions on their potential poaching? Probably not 30 pages, but I'd be interested to hear in general who opposition fans think they can prise free, the currency suggested, and their perspective on these players as compared to our own.

No MFC player thread on the first 3 pages of BF Trade & Draft:

https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/forums/drafts-trading-free-agency.61/

Edited July 27, 2017 by Fifty-5

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3 hours ago, jnrmac said:

Rockliff also doesn't like the Dees apprently. We supposedly promised him a rookie spot and took Jurrah instead at the last minute....

I would've thought that he'd be past that by now surely

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3 hours ago, rpfc said:

Makes sense that Collingwood would want him.

Every team would want him.

To be fair they probably ARE....after all have about 20 spots on their list to fill !!!!!! 

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1 hour ago, In Gawn we Trust said:

I would've thought that he'd be past that by now surely

Kevin Sheedy is still [censored] we overlooked him for coach.....just sayin....

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It seems Lever is very gettable!

Apparently, Crows have a very strict pay scale and structure.  eg reportedly offered McGovern $350,000 for 2 years (barely above the average).  Offers from Freo are reported to be around $600,000 for 5 years.

Unlike us where our policy is to pay around the market but not overs.

The Crows offer to Lever is reportedly also well below market increasing the likelihood of him returning to Victoria!

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On 27/07/2017 at 2:47 PM, jnrmac said:

Kevin Sheedy is still [censored] we overlooked him for coach.....just sayin....

yeah.... actually happened 3 times....

 

passed on him as a player. Then as a young coach. Then as a cranky old git.... he didn't quite get the message (or is it us that made the same mistake... hard to call on that). So Sheeds probably does have his nose out of joint about us 

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1 hour ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

It seems Lever is very gettable!

Apparently, Crows have a very strict pay scale and structure.  eg reportedly offered McGovern $350,000 for 2 years (barely above the average).  Offers from Freo are reported to be around $600,000 for 5 years.

Unlike us where our policy is to pay around the market but not overs.

The Crows offer to Lever is reportedly also well below market increasing the likelihood of him returning to Victoria!

Quite impressed with McGovern, I'd make anplaybfor him too.

[Skuit 10,031]

10 hours ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Unlike us where our policy is to pay around the market but not overs.

The Crows offer to Lever is reportedly also well below market increasing the likelihood of him returning to Victoria!

This was my take a few weeks back after the last comments coming out of the Crows.

In a completely unfounded amateur pop-psych marketing-principle sort of way, I get this vague hunch that a serious Adelaide low-ball may be somehow extra beneficial for us. As in: if you're offered a choice of two monetary deals that are already significantly better than your current position, you may be less inclined to simply grab the higher figure and instead better consider other factors.

@Danelska? Any behavioural economists I can cite here? Kahnemann or someone?

[Engorged Onion 10,224]

@Skuit - what's Adelaide list management position? What is their prioritising from a financial perspective? Perhaps they're resigned to losing him due to his partner resigning and wanting to come back (could be rumour of course)  - perhaps it is a fait accompli that he returns - its no longer about oweing clubs respect due to development as a young player, these are purely pragmatic times.

Irrespective of financial offers, its about your values as an individual - closer to home (connections, family, community) vs the brotherhood of one club that nurtured you - even though this is fundamentally replaceable (see Dangerfield, Mayne, et al).

Either way there is benefit and cost - personally, I'd join the Dees rather than a small town hick team from Radelaide, from a 'values' based perspective, 

Edited August 1, 2017 by Danelska

[Skuit 10,031]

8 minutes ago, Danelska said:

@Skuit - what's Adelaide list management position? What is their prioritising from a financial perspective? Perhaps they're resigned to losing him due to his partner resigning and wanting to come back (could be rumour of course)  - perhaps it is a fait accompli that he returns - its no longer about oweing clubs respect due to development as a young player, these are purely pragmatic times.

Irrespective of financial offers, its about your values as an individual - closer to home (connections, family, community) vs the brotherhood of one club that nurtured you - even though this is fundamentally replaceable (see Dangerfield, Mayne, et al).

Either way there is benefit and cost - personally, I'd join the Dees rather than a small town hick team from Radelaide, from a 'values' based perspective, 

I was coming at it from the presumption of Lever leaving Adelaide and choosing between us and a wealthier suitor.

That if for example, Lever was offered 650,000 by Adelaide and then 700,000 by us and 800,000 by Collingwood he would be more likely to take Collingwood than if he was offered 500,000 by Adelaide and then 700,000 by us and 800,000 by Collingwood. In the psychological sense that if Adelaide are seriously low-balling, then any much greater offer is already considered a significant 'win', which leads to greater consideration of other factors. I'll see if I can dig up a paper.

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2 minutes ago, Skuit said:

I was coming at it from the presumption of Lever leaving Adelaide and choosing between us and a wealthier suitor.

That if for example, Lever was offered 650,000 by Adelaide and then 700,000 by us and 800,000 by Collingwood he would be more likely to take Collingwood than if he was offered 500,000 by Adelaide and then 700,000 by us and 800,000 by Collingwood. In the psychological sense that if Adelaide are seriously low-balling, then any much greater offer is already considered a significant 'win', which leads to greater consideration of other factors. I'll see if I can dig up a paper.

Plenty of papers on that - lets walk to the car yard and get the $25,000 VW golf , the $35,000 golf or the $45,000 - most people discount the $25k because they feel the won't get enough, or its not good enough - the difference between the $35k and the $45k is perceived value - do I get the same tangible benefits, or am I getting ripped off. 

I'd go the $35k  - hence Jake will definitely be coming to Melbourne. You heard it hear first.

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5 minutes ago, Danelska said:

Plenty of papers on that - lets walk to the car yard and get the $25,000 VW golf , the $35,000 golf or the $45,000 - most people discount the $25k because they feel the won't get enough, or its not good enough - the difference between the $35k and the $45k is perceived value - do I get the same tangible benefits, or am I getting ripped off. 

I'd go the $35k  - hence Jake will definitely be coming to Melbourne. You heard it hear first.

Do you have Intel or just a hunch?

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Not that I have any idea of the money involved, but I would think it might need to be at least $200k more than Adelaide's offer for him to choose us. 

Playing and winning a final might also help our cause with any player we are chasing

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19 minutes ago, Win4theAges said:

Do you have Intel or just a hunch?

just been facetious ..soz mate.

[YesitwasaWin4theAges 6,815]

lol From what i have heard and been told he is definitely leaving Adelaide and coming to Victoria to which club I don't know.

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They just said on SEN that Jake Lever officially met with Melbourne FC last week and that he was apparently unhappy with the first offer Adelaide offered him.. doesn't guarantee he is leaving or anything but still very interesting

[Moonshadow 17,678]

FWIW Sam McLure reporting on SEN that Lever himself has met with Melbourne officials and some Melbourne players. Also reports that he is happy to stay at Crows as he likes the life there, just unhappy with their offer

Edit. Got in before me qwerty

Edited August 1, 2017 by Moonshadow

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On 27/07/2017 at 0:57 PM, Fifty-5 said:

No MFC player thread on the first 3 pages of BF Trade & Draft:

https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/forums/drafts-trading-free-agency.61/

Probably because even these idiots know that no gun player would want to leave the MFC right now... not to mention all our stars are signed!

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24 minutes ago, qwerty7 said:

They just said on SEN that Jake Lever officially met with Melbourne FC last week and that he was apparently unhappy with the first offer Adelaide offered him.. doesn't guarantee he is leaving or anything but still very interesting

Sounds like he is using us as leverage (heh) to get a better deal out of the Crows.

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17 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

Sounds like he is using us as leverage (heh) to get a better deal out of the Crows.

I don't interpret it that way.

Meeting with an opposing club's officials and players as leverage to get a better deal with your current club seems a bit extreme. You can do that by simply holding off signing until you're satisfied with an offer from your current club.

Clearly he is considering a move if what's reported is true.

And if it happens, i'll be in heaven. 

 

 

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Agreed. Lever's Manager meeting with the Dees would be one thing. Lever himself meeting with officials and players, in season, is enormous. He's gone.

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doubt he met with MFC maybe his manager but I thought it was against the rules to meet in season