HOW PAGAN SLIPPED THROUGH DEES' FINGERS

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,693]

Denis Pagan on SEN today talked about missing out on the coaching job at Melbourne after John Northey moved on. We seem to have moved on a bit on the admin side, thank goodness.

[Wiseblood 24,637]

Just now, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Denis Pagan on SEN today talked about missing out on the coaching job at Melbourne after John Northey moved on. We seem to have moved on a bit on the admin side, thank goodness.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing.  Great coach, but no idea how he would have turned out at the club.  May have done better, might have not.

[Whispering_Jack 29,812]

We missed out but it was 25 years ago ...

HOW PAGAN SLIPPED THROUGH DEES' FINGERS

Pagan went on to coach North Melbourne to two flags 1996 and 1999 but of course, he had Carey.

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,693]

Just now, Whispering_Jack said:

We missed out but it was 25 years ago ...

HOW PAGAN SLIPPED THROUGH DEES' FINGERS

Pagan went on to coach North Melbourne to two flags 1996 and 1999 but of course, he had Carey.

And we've got Brighton Grammar

[snomed 54]

and we didn't have Carey so he would have sucked with us anyway

[Sir Why You Little 36,989]

Balmey would have won flags if Schwarz and Jakovich had not been cruelled by injury

Pagan did nothing at Carlscum

[Willmoy1947 4,081]

I just like the word carlscum too.....

13 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Balmey would have won flags if Schwarz and Jakovich had not been cruelled by injury

Pagan did nothing at Carlscum

 

[Tony Tea 2,806]

Pretty sure it was Doug Heywood who convinced the Dees to hire Balmey. Pagan was all set for the Dees, but Heywood convinced us to make a late change.

Commenters are right about Pagan + Carey. Pagan was very old school (which wasn't so old back then) with the physicality, and with Carey up front to capitalise.

Balmey was very new school with the ball movement. Would have loved to see us combine the two styles.

Nevertheless Balmey was butchered by injury, possibly more than any other coach I can think of. 1994 to 1995 especially. Lyon, Prymke, Tingay, Schwarz, Glenn Lovett, Jako, Charles, etc. Take them out of any side and you're in trouble.

Compare that with Pagan, who mostly had key players on tap. See how shirty he was when Schwass and Archer were suspended in 1997.

[TeamPlayedFine39 8,492]

Thought Balme was great for the team - All Australian coach 1994 and, as others have stated, lost virtually every star we had to injury 1995-96.

[tiers 2,829]

A cup of tea to Tony Tea. Spot on. Balme was an intelligent and inventive coach who, when savagely cruelled by injury, had the guts to move David Neitz from CHB to CHF and FF. Not trying to stop goals but score goals was his motive. He lost the job when, in one game, his key forwards were Charles and Farmer. Desperately unlucky.

The return of Lyon, Schwarz, Tingay, G Lovett, Viney in 1998, plus White and Travis, made Neale Daniher's reputation as a coach. He was very fortunate.

[McQueen 17,864]

I would've gladly had him instead of Neeld.

[Oliver Sholem 17]

28 minutes ago, tiers said:

A cup of tea to Tony Tea. Spot on. Balme was an intelligent and inventive coach who, when savagely cruelled by injury, had the guts to move David Neitz from CHB to CHF and FF. Not trying to stop goals but score goals was his motive. He lost the job when, in one game, his key forwards were Charles and Farmer. Desperately unlucky.

Yeah. Also unlucky because Joe was out to turn the club upside down after the disruption of the merger debacle. On reflection, he was running the club a little like Donald Trump is doing in Washington.

[Adzman 2,154]

4 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Balmey would have won flags if Schwarz and Jakovich had not been cruelled by injury

Pagan did nothing at Carlscum

I agree. The ox was a world beater before those knee injuries. And Jakovich could have been one of the all time greats if his body and mind were not shot.

We had the talent, just didn't happen for us. Those teams in the 90s were good enough for a flag.

[Hellaintabadplacetobe 4,294]

5 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Balmey would have won flags if Schwarz and Jakovich had not been cruelled by injury

Pagan did nothing at Carlscum

 

I`m know a Carlton legend who was seriously considering offers from several other clubs that were after him and was close to signing, such was his dislike for Pagan. Fortunately for Carlton fans, Pagan got the arse around the same time so he stayed a Blue. Has nothing good to say about him, nor did many other senior players.

[Sir Why You Little 36,989]

5 minutes ago, Hell Bent said:

I`m know a Carlton legend who was seriously considering offers from several other clubs that were after him and was close to signing, such was his dislike for Pagan. Fortunately for Carlton fans, Pagan got the arse around the same time so he stayed a Blue. Has nothing good to say about him, nor did many other senior players.

Have heard similar stories from Carlton Supporters who knew players at the same time. Elliot's last Stand, that failed dismally

[Biffen 12,940]

Yesterdays hero.

Had Carey,Blakey, Simpson,Schwass, Archer, Longmire,Harvey,Clarko ,Martin et al.

Simple plan- kick it to WC.

Edited February 9, 2017 by Biffen

[Wiseblood 24,637]

4 minutes ago, Biffen said:

Yesterdays hero.

Had Carey,Blakey, Simpson,Schwass, Archer, Longmire,Harvey,Clarko ,Martin et al.

Simple plan- kick it to WC.

Hopefully ours is simply 'kick it to JH.'  If that win's us a flag then I'll be happy with that.  

[Fork 'em 6,983]

If it is we're doomed.

 

[rjay 24,889]

6 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Balmey would have won flags if Schwarz and Jakovich had not been cruelled by injury

Pagan did nothing at Carlscum

 

1 hour ago, Hell Bent said:

I`m know a Carlton legend who was seriously considering offers from several other clubs that were after him and was close to signing, such was his dislike for Pagan. Fortunately for Carlton fans, Pagan got the arse around the same time so he stayed a Blue. Has nothing good to say about him, nor did many other senior players.

 

1 hour ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Have heard similar stories from Carlton Supporters who knew players at the same time. Elliot's last Stand, that failed dismally

Pagan is a premiership coach and that is backed up by a great junior resume before he got a senior job.

His Carlton record is no indication of his ability...the club was screwed over by Elliot and the AFL draft sanctions. Unfortunately for Dennis his timing wasn't so great.

...and there are always players who dislike the coach. I hear Roos wasn't Mr Popularity with us and how do you think Barassi would stack up in the most liked list?

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7 minutes ago, rjay said:

 

 

Pagan is a premiership coach and that is backed up by a great junior resume before he got a senior job.

His Carlton record is no indication of his ability...the club was screwed over by Elliot and the AFL draft sanctions. Unfortunately for Dennis his timing wasn't so great.

...and there are always players who dislike the coach. I hear Roos wasn't Mr Popularity with us and how do you think Barassi would stack up in the most liked list?

 

 

When I said disliked, I was putting it extremely mildly. It was bitter. We`ve heard the term playing for the coach before, well he`d lost half the team.... thus the results they achieved during his reign.

Edited February 9, 2017 by Hell Bent
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[Biffen 12,940]

1 hour ago, Wiseblood said:

Hopefully ours is simply 'kick it to JH.'  If that win's us a flag then I'll be happy with that.  

We have more options.

But Jesse is not a bad one.

 

[Sir Why You Little 36,989]

19 minutes ago, Hell Bent said:

When I said disliked, I was putting it extremely mildly. It was bitter. We`ve heard the term playing for the coach before, well he`d lost half the team.... thus the results they achieved during his reign.

I concur HB, there was no love at all

Very similar in a lot of ways to Malthouse....

[Sir Why You Little 36,989]

28 minutes ago, rjay said:

 

 

Pagan is a premiership coach and that is backed up by a great junior resume before he got a senior job.

His Carlton record is no indication of his ability...the club was screwed over by Elliot and the AFL draft sanctions. Unfortunately for Dennis his timing wasn't so great.

...and there are always players who dislike the coach. I hear Roos wasn't Mr Popularity with us and how do you think Barassi would stack up in the most liked list?

Pagan was no fool, but without Carey he was nothing special...

Wasn't hard to think of Pagans Paddock...

[Biffen 12,940]

4 hours ago, McQueen said:

I would've gladly had him instead of Neeld.

As a leader of men, he was like Germaine Greer at a meat raffle in a country pub in the 1950s.

[dieter 3,325]

On 2/9/2017 at 10:22 PM, Biffen said:

As a leader of men, he was like Germaine Greer at a meat raffle in a country pub in the 1950s.

???PLease explain. Never been to a meat raffle, especially in the fly blown country. As for Germaine, her only saving grace is her name which is almost but not quite German. A good try but...