Just now, Redleg said:

I don't think you have to have 3  draft picks, you need 3 changes to your list. For example you just upgrade 3 rookies and that could be it. 

I think this is correct also..i.e  3 changes to your SENIOR list is how i think it works

7 minutes ago, Redleg said:

I don't think you have to have 3  draft picks, you need 3 changes to your list. For example you just upgrade 3 rookies and that could be it. 

That is what I said - rookie upgrades are part of the 3 draft picks!

1 minute ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

That is what I said - rookie upgrades are part of the 3!

 

1 minute ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

That is what I said - rookie upgrades are part of the 3!

Yes you did say that but you also said you need under AFL rules to take 3 picks to the draft. You actually don't need to take any picks to the draft. Upgrades trades FA's etc are all ok. 

Just now, Redleg said:

 

Yes you did say that but you also said you need under AFL rules to take 3 picks to the draft. You actually don't need to take any picks to the draft. Upgrades trades FA's etc are all ok. 

Red, we are saying the same thing!  The only way to upgrade a rookie is to use a draft pick at the NAB draft.  AFL rules say a club needs to take 3 picks to (in) the draft.  Ipso facto the rookie upgrades picks on draft night are included in the AFL's obligatory 3 picks.

Will leave the semantics at that.

Anyway, my main point was how good will it be for Smith and Wagner to be on our seniors list next year.

1 hour ago, AngryAtCasey said:

Ok, so the way I'm interpreting all this is:

I reckon the Hanley to Gold Coast trade will play a part, and Pick 44 (currently Gold Coast) will find it's way to Brisbane.

We then trade Dunn, 2017 1st Round Pick & Pick 29 to Brisbane

Rockliff, Pick 19 & 44 then come back to Melbourne

Melbourne then trade Pick 19 to Essendon 

Hibberd & Pick 41 to Melbourne

Melbourne then trade one of Picks 41, 44 or 48 to Hawthorn for Lewis

Alternatively if we could trade Pick 44 & a player (Vanders/Nibbler) to Essendon for Hibberd that would be ideal. We could then trade 48 for Lewis and take 19 to the draft!

Eek!! My brain hurts   !!

3 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Red, we are saying the same thing!  The only way to upgrade a rookie is to use a draft pick at the NAB draft.  AFL rules say a club needs to take 3 picks to (in) the draft.  Ipso facto the rookie upgrades picks on draft night are included in the AFL's obligatory 3 picks.

Will leave the semantics at that.

Anyway, my main point was how good will it be for Smith and Wagner to be on our seniors list next year.

Agree Wagner is also seen as a player who can improve his game substantially. 

1 hour ago, Redleg said:

We would not give Bombers a pick 19 if we had it for Hibberd. Way too high and more than agreed.

I agree. It's just the rumour with the strong sources has us giving this years pick 29 and next years 1st rounder to Brisbane. Which makes me think how do we get Hibberd given we can't trade next years 2nd rounder? We shall see I guess

54 minutes ago, Bring Back Barassi said:

Sisyphos is not a bad option at all... been to Berlin lately ??

Please explain. Not enthused about almost reaching the top and rolling down the hill again. Brings back memories of 1988  and 2000

11 minutes ago, chook fowler said:

Please explain. Not enthused about almost reaching the top and rolling down the hill again. Brings back memories of 1988  and 2000

nor to mention that way too long post 1964 descent

7 minutes ago, dieter said:

nor to mention that way too long post 1964 descent

I think losing a grand final is a tragedy in many ways. You get scarred mentally and then get screwed with draft picks and the draw. It's a long way back.

This thread is essentially the reality tv of sport.

I realise much of it is probably total b.s. but I can't get enough of it.

 

2 minutes ago, Ron Burgundy said:

This thread is essentially the reality tv of sport.

I realise much of it is probably total b.s. but I can't get enough of it.

 

That has to be the truest post on this thread

17 minutes ago, Ron Burgundy said:

This thread is essentially the reality tv of sport.

I realise much of it is probably total b.s. but I can't get enough of it.

 

So true.

im also enthused and guilty as charged

45 minutes ago, chook fowler said:

I think losing a grand final is a tragedy in many ways. You get scarred mentally and then get screwed with draft picks and the draw. It's a long way back.

If you have a really strong list you can sustain success, like Hawthorn have, but even they must start to feel the pinch sooner or later.  Have a look at Hawthorn's drafting over the last 6 or so years, they haven't got much out of it at all, they have relied on a big influx of top end talent and then free agency, which came along at just the right time for them.

Now the big influx of talent is ageing so they need to rejuvenate, perhaps they should have made more use of player turnover and tried to get back in to the early part of the draft, they don't have a lot of young talent coming through.

 

18 hours ago, Ron Burgundy said:

This thread is essentially the reality tv of sport.

I realise much of it is probably total b.s. but I can't get enough of it.

 

This trade period is a ripper "season" of it.

Is it really possible that MFC who have been repeatedly been knocked back for a priority pick in recent years actual pick up one from the trading machinations with Brisbane for Dunne and pickup of Rockliff as well? Would have thought that pick 19 was far more valuable to Brisbane in their current environment. Would be very happy to accept this generosity but it seems to be a bridge to far for me.

Id change the idea to this:

Ok, so the way I'm interpreting all this is:

I reckon the Hanley to Gold Coast trade will play a part, and Pick 44 (currently Gold Coast) will find it's way to Brisbane.

We then trade Dunn, 2017 1st Round Pick & Pick 29 to Brisbane

Rockliff, Pick 19 & 44 then come back to Melbourne

Melbourne then trade Pick 29 to Essendon 

Hibberd & Pick 41 to Melbourne

Melbourne then trade one of Picks 41, 44 or 48 to Hawthorn for Lewis

Alternatively if we could trade Pick 44 & a player (Vanders/Nibbler) to Essendon for Hibberd that would be ideal. We could then trade 48 for Lewis and take 19 to the draft!

Pick 48 for Lewis

Pick 29 for Hibberd

Pick 19 for Tippet

all the other machinations for Rockliff and that's a bonanza trade period!

Nothing to do with us, but N Brown is going to St Kilda. 3 KPD have left collingwood 

4 hours ago, ProDee said:

This has zero to do with WJ and everything to do with you naming your source.

As soon as I read that you were the nephew of a Fitzroy great and current AFL captain I thought he's the nephew of John Murphy, or at least that was the declaration.

I then saw WJ's post and wondered why he sought clarification, because there was no other scenario.  There was no other choice other than John Murphy. 

You outed yourself, which is fine, as it was your choice.

As for the veracity of your claims ?  I have no clue.  I hope they're correct.

You're a smart guy, I don't mind anyone putting the math together, as I gave the deduction. 

I stand by what I was told 24 hours ago, I stand by telling my fellow demon supporters and I stand by telling fellow football supporters but also doubters. 

The mail I got as of yesterday morning Victorian time is that an agreement hastbeen in place for Melbourne to acquire Tom Rockliff.

I don't get a prize out of posting it, I dont win any money. I'm a fellow demon supporter who regularly posts on demon land, posting info I got. I genuinely do not want to upset/invigorate anyone the wrong way, I'm just spreading info as I got it. 

 

4 minutes ago, Generation dee said:

You're a smart guy, I don't mind anyone putting the math together, as I gave the deduction. 

I stand by what I was told 24 hours ago, I stand by telling my fellow demon supporters and I stand by telling fellow football supporters but also doubters. 

The mail I got as of yesterday morning Victorian time is that an agreement hastbeen in place for Melbourne to acquire Tom Rockliff.

I don't get a prize out of posting it, I dont win any money. I'm a fellow demon supporter who regularly posts on demon land, posting info I got. I genuinely do not want to upset/invigorate anyone the wrong way, I'm just spreading info as I got it. 

 

One is on a hiding to nothing sharing inside info, but I have no reason to doubt you.  

Thanks for sharing and I for one hope it happens.

Saints have officially signed Nathan Brown.

Pies defence seems a mess now.

 

Interesting that in the Rockliff thread there's some posters adamant that we're not going near him.

I've gone from being against it to rather indifferent now.

No doubt he can win the pill but if he falls under the 'no d-heads' policy I'm surprised we're even looking.

Hope Howe did not want to play forward at the pies...

 

Dunn to the pies?

6 minutes ago, stuie said:

Saints have officially signed Nathan Brown.

Pies defence seems a mess now.

 

fixed 

something strange in the Kool Aid up the road for sure.

( lets hope they keep drinking it though  )