41 minutes ago, picket fence said:

Nope Jack Watts is not the answer in the ruck, but then neither is Jake Spencer! 

One of the reasons I want Vickery is for this purpose! Either him or search high and low in and out of the country for another option! Is Majak Daw a realistic option??

Vickery rarely rucks and when he does he's no better at it than Colin Sylvia. If he had shown anything then I'd agree with you. Would prefer Daw but in the light of recent delistings it would appear North are persevering with him.

For our current situation, Spencil is perfect. Perfect.

He's no Max Gawn or Goldstein but he is good enough at AFL level to provide a genuine contest, ensuring we don't get smashed should Gawn get injured and need a week or two out. He seems to understand where he's at and while he won't stop trying to get into the ones, will continue to ply his trade at VFL level.

He's not so good that other clubs will try to cherry pick him as was the case with previous #2 ruckmen Troy Simmonds or Darren Jolly. I reckon he's ours as long as we want him and he's bloody great insurance

Reckon Spencil would be quietly chuffed if he'd read his name as a potential trade target !

Satyriconhome,there is nothing wrong with Spencer wanting to play in a grand final for Casey,but if he got offered a senior contract to play elsewhere and he was required tommorrow he would leave.

40 minutes ago, ENYAW said:

Satyriconhome,there is nothing wrong with Spencer wanting to play in a grand final for Casey,but if he got offered a senior contract to play elsewhere and he was required tommorrow he would leave.

Hence the one-year contract - if he gets any offers from another club to play first ruck & he wants to go, we wouldn't stand in his way, but we'd like to keep him on, year by year, as insurance for Maxy.

16 hours ago, AngryAtCasey said:

Apologize if there is already a thread for this, but couldn't see it. Anyone else notice the article on the AFL website stating despite him being contract, Freo and trying to lure Jake the snake?

Given he's contracted and our lack of ruck depth i can't see it happening, but if the offer were to good to refuse i guess we'd have to consider it.

Article is big men set for big moves. Sorry i couldn't get a link working.

 

Where did you here this AAC ?

I'd be OK if they want to give Jake 3 yrs contract.   If this were to happen, we would have to ensure we grabbed a mature backup ruck/follower.

 

 

Jake should just train as a forward, he's a solid ruckman, but if he could clunk a mark and offer a bit up forward i reckon he would lock that position down as the 2nd forward/ruckman

11 hours ago, picket fence said:

"Jake the Snake Roberts" sensational wrestler now departed would have been a great pick up! Ah Sorry, do you mean Jake Spencer?? For real??

Now departed? As in dead? Since when? He's alive. Do you get anything right?

Griffin is looking to leave Fremantle.  Is he an upgrade on Spencer?  Could be a straight swap. 

Edited September 4, 20169 yr by RalphiusMaximus

12 minutes ago, Deestroy All said:

Now departed? As in dead? Since when? He's alive. Do you get anything right?

Sorry destroy all, I meant departed from Wrestling!! 

Ps, I used to love it when he drapped that snake around defeated opponents!

 

1 hour ago, DV8 said:

Where did you here this AAC ?

I'd be OK if they want to give Jake 3 yrs contract.   If this were to happen, we would have to ensure we grabbed a mature backup ruck/follower.

 

 

Was in the link on post 2. Was amended by the author after i started the thread, so something changed. Most likely his info was wrong i guess.

1 hour ago, Abe said:

Jake should just train as a forward, he's a solid ruckman, but if he could clunk a mark and offer a bit up forward i reckon he would lock that position down as the 2nd forward/ruckman

As a forward, he should be able to kick the ball with a modicum of accuracy, which he does not. The Geelong game last year was the best I have seen him play.

He can clunk a ball, not as well as Gawn, but he competes like a beast and will bring the ball down. He also likes hurting opponents, which is a bonus.

3 hours ago, RalphiusMaximus said:

Griffin is looking to leave Fremantle.  Is he an upgrade on Spencer?  Could be a straight swap. 

Not sure. Griffin is older, shorter, averages more disposals bit averages less hitouts and has played 90 games to Spencils 36. The are pretty even fr mine. Still prefer Jake as least he knows our systems.

14 hours ago, Nasher said:

What would their incentive be to come?  

Playing all season in the VFL Premiership team? ?

If we were to trade spencil then i'd be for picking up Zac Clarke as a free agent and using our two live national draft picks to select Darcy Cameron from Claremont and Oscar McInerney from Casey.

Both early 20's showing plenty in the state leagues with big upside.

On 9/4/2016 at 9:54 PM, Moonshadow said:

As a forward, he should be able to kick the ball with a modicum of accuracy, which he does not. The Geelong game last year was the best I have seen him play.

He can clunk a ball, not as well as Gawn, but he competes like a beast and will bring the ball down. He also likes hurting opponents, which is a bonus.

we have a few blokes who could improve their kicking but i reckon with more of a focus on his kicking and marking he'd give himself a really strong chance of playing more games in that role next year

Definitely need ruck depth, the only way he would go is if he requested it. I believe we re-signed him earlier this year.

If we could secure a younger developing ruckman as depth for Gawndog and offload Spencer than I'd be ok with that but otherwise we need coverage for Max.

1 hour ago, Abe said:

we have a few blokes who could improve their kicking but i reckon with more of a focus on his kicking and marking he'd give himself a really strong chance of playing more games in that role next year

Spencer is a ruckman, we need to keep him as backup.

He will never make it as a forward/ruck, he would have done it by now if he was.

The problem is not just kicking straight, he's not a bad kick at goal (strange action). The problem with most rucks (including Max) is they need to spend majority of time on ball, they are not natural forwards and don't now how to position themselves.

1 minute ago, rjay said:

Spencer is a ruckman, we need to keep him as backup.

He will never make it as a forward/ruck, he would have done it by now if he was.

The problem is not just kicking straight, he's not a bad kick at goal (strange action). The problem with most rucks (including Max) is they need to spend majority of time on ball, they are not natural forwards and don't now how to position themselves.

Stef Martin is a classic example.

15 hours ago, stevethemanjordan said:

 

In my view, I think we need to find someone who can play as an effective forward and who can genuinely support Max Gawn. For a couple of reasons. To prolong Max's career and to add potency to our side.

And it really won't be that hard to find someone who isn't a star but who unlike Spencer, can play that role well. The only reason we haven't is because we've had way too many other things to fix that have been prioritised. List building takes time. Especially when you've come from where we have.

 

No, that's the whole point, it is hard to find someone to play that role well.  Vickery can't/won't ruck, Vardy is injured all the time, there's no evidence Clarke can play forward and Jenkins isn't available.  Who is this not hard to find someone that you have in mind?

Valuing Spencer and looking for a forward-ruck aren't mutually exclusive - we should be doing both.

3 hours ago, Fifty-5 said:

No, that's the whole point, it is hard to find someone to play that role well.  Vickery can't/won't ruck, Vardy is injured all the time, there's no evidence Clarke can play forward and Jenkins isn't available.  Who is this not hard to find someone that you have in mind?

Valuing Spencer and looking for a forward-ruck aren't mutually exclusive - we should be doing both.

Shaun McKernan worth a look?  Goes at about 2 goals a game at VFL level.

http://www.aflplayerratings.com.au/Ratings/Player/112847/Shaun-MCKERNAN

Edited September 5, 20169 yr by AngryAtCasey

On 9/5/2016 at 8:47 AM, rjay said:

Spencer is a ruckman, we need to keep him as backup.

He will never make it as a forward/ruck, he would have done it by now if he was.

The problem is not just kicking straight, he's not a bad kick at goal (strange action). The problem with most rucks (including Max) is they need to spend majority of time on ball, they are not natural forwards and don't now how to position themselves.

My point though Rjay is a player like Spencer, i think would probably get more AFL opportunities elsewhere as a ruckman if he were to move, not many AFL quality ruckman will sign on to be backup if they have another option, and i think for Spencer to play more AFL footy for Melbourne that's what he'd need to do, be the forward/ruck, it would be extremely difficult for him, but i think that's the only way he gets a game without Max being injured. 

1 hour ago, AngryAtCasey said:

Shaun McKernan worth a look?  Goes at about 2 goals a game at VFL level.

http://www.aflplayerratings.com.au/Ratings/Player/112847/Shaun-MCKERNAN

I think he has proved over time that he just doesn't have what it takes.

Jake wants to spread his his wings , fair enough. What do we get ?

8 hours ago, Abe said:

My point though Rjay is a player like Spencer, i think would probably get more AFL opportunities elsewhere as a ruckman if he were to move, not many AFL quality ruckman will sign on to be backup if they have another option, and i think for Spencer to play more AFL footy for Melbourne that's what he'd need to do, be the forward/ruck, it would be extremely difficult for him, but i think that's the only way he gets a game without Max being injured. 

That may be so but my concern is that physically Max will not last unless another ruckman can shoulder the load. 

33 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

Jake wants to spread his his wings , fair enough. What do we get ?

Not sure he wants to spread his wing, in fact the article that started this did not even mention Freo were interested in Spencer so i think the whole things a thought experiment...