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WELCOME TO THE MELBOURNE FOOTBALL CLUB - MICHAEL HIBBERD

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4 minutes ago, AngryAtCasey said:

So your obviously assuming that we're destined for a bottom 4-6 finish then if you think our 2nd Round Pick next year will be around 26 after free agent compensation etc?

Errrrr no, but you seem to think we're going to win the flag if you think next year's second rounder will be lower than 36...

 

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    42 minutes ago, Bring Back Barassi said:

    Looks more like we met them half way

    epedience can open up other opportunities whilst time exists.

    we're not finished yet imho

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    8 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

    I think Newton's fate was sealed before we got Lewis but don't want to update info until these things are said by the club (Ditto Dawes, rookies etc)

    I was simply answering your question about pick 84 and the number of vacancies we may have.

    I'm just walking through the hypotheticals..

     

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    1 hour ago, Jaded said:

    Why?

    Hibberd is a very very good player, and will make a great structural difference to our side, by allowing Hunt and Salem to play wings. He is in his prime at 26. 

    Pick 29 has a 50-50 chance of being a dud. 

    We have so many kids on our list, draft picks aren't what we need right now. 

    Good deal, and welcome Hibbo. My Essendon friend is crying into his coffee as we speak!

    I think its more like 20/30 chance of being a poor pick............

     

    29 Eric MacKenzie West Coast Claremont 2006
    29 Tom Clurey Port Adelaide Murray U18 2012
    29 Byron Donnellan Geelong Donald 1990
    29 Touk Miller Gold Coast Calder U18 2014
    29 Matthew Connell West Coast Subiaco 1991
    29 Ben McKinley West Coast Northern U18 2005
    29 Todd Curley Western Bulldogs West Perth 1995
    29 Lewis Roberts-Thomson Sydney Swans NSW-ACT U18 2001
    29 Adam Hunter West Coast Swan Districts 1999
    29 Luke Shackleton Collingwood Tasmania U18 2002
    29 Scott Lycett West Coast Port Adelaide (SANFL) 2010
    29 Jack Gunston Adelaide Sandringham U18 2009
    29 Tim Schmidt Sydney Swans West Adelaide 2003
    29 Jason Torney Richmond South Adelaide 1994
    29 Brendan Whitecross Hawthorn Zillmere 2007
    29 Craig Walker Melbourne North Hobart 1986
    29 Sam Phillipou Western Bulldogs Woodville-West Torrens 1992
    29 Nathan Turvey Hawthorn South Fremantle 1996
    29 Andrew Pascoe Collingwood Norwood 1987
    29 Dayne Beams Collingwood Southport 2008
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    29 Rory Lobb Greater Western Sydney Swan Districts 2013
    29 Scott Mollard Essendon Central U18 1993
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    29 Wayne Campbell Richmond Golden Square 1989
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    29 Tyson Stenglein Adelaide Subiaco 1998
    29 Jamie Charman Brisbane Lions Northern Eagles 2000
    29 Tim Allen St Kilda Mornington 1988
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    16 minutes ago, AngryAtCasey said:

    So we don't go a full year without injecting any young talent.

    2 days ago I would have agreed with you but I think now the Hibbard and Lewis deals are in, unless we can get an overwhelimgly good deal we should secure all our picks next year leaving us in a strong position to draft or trade next year with a full list of 2017 and 18 draft picks

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    3 minutes ago, stuie said:

    You do understand that IF Dunn gets traded THEN the rest of the scenario changes yeah?

     

    Presumably for the better for us.  Which would then validate my thinking of not upgrading the two rookies this year.

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    3 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

    I think its more like 20/30 chance of being a poor pick............

     

    29 Eric MacKenzie West Coast Claremont 2006
    29 Tom Clurey Port Adelaide Murray U18 2012
    29 Byron Donnellan Geelong Donald 1990
    29 Touk Miller Gold Coast Calder U18 2014
    29 Matthew Connell West Coast Subiaco 1991
    29 Ben McKinley West Coast Northern U18 2005
    29 Todd Curley Western Bulldogs West Perth 1995
    29 Lewis Roberts-Thomson Sydney Swans NSW-ACT U18 2001
    29 Adam Hunter West Coast Swan Districts 1999
    29 Luke Shackleton Collingwood Tasmania U18 2002
    29 Scott Lycett West Coast Port Adelaide (SANFL) 2010
    29 Jack Gunston Adelaide Sandringham U18 2009
    29 Tim Schmidt Sydney Swans West Adelaide 2003
    29 Jason Torney Richmond South Adelaide 1994
    29 Brendan Whitecross Hawthorn Zillmere 2007
    29 Craig Walker Melbourne North Hobart 1986
    29 Sam Phillipou Western Bulldogs Woodville-West Torrens 1992
    29 Nathan Turvey Hawthorn South Fremantle 1996
    29 Andrew Pascoe Collingwood Norwood 1987
    29 Dayne Beams Collingwood Southport 2008
    29 Marc Woolnough Geelong Southport 1997
    29 Alex Forster Fremantle Norwood 2011
    29 Rory Lobb Greater Western Sydney Swan Districts 2013
    29 Scott Mollard Essendon Central U18 1993
    29 Alex Morgan Essendon Oakleigh U18 2015
    29 Wayne Campbell Richmond Golden Square 1989
    29 Matt Rosa West Coast North Ballarat U18 2004
    29 Tyson Stenglein Adelaide Subiaco 1998
    29 Jamie Charman Brisbane Lions Northern Eagles 2000
    29 Tim Allen St Kilda Mornington 1988

    You can't look at it like that.  What if pick 30 had a better strike rate? Would you then conclude that you'd prefer to have pick 30 than pick 29?

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    9 minutes ago, stuie said:

    Errrrr no, but you seem to think we're going to win the flag if you think next year's second rounder will be lower than 36...

     

    Well Pick 36 this year was held by a club that was knocked out in a semi, so I hardly think we're going to win the flag.  You obviously don't think any free agents will move next year if you think Pick 36 will stay with the premiers.

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    4 minutes ago, Nasher said:

    You can't look at it like that.  What if pick 30 had a better strike rate? Would you then conclude that you'd prefer to have pick 30 than pick 29?

    Kind of like flipping a coin a hundred times and getting 70% heads. Those results aren't going to affect your next coin toss at all.

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    5 minutes ago, AngryAtCasey said:

    Well Pick 36 this year was held by a club that was knocked out in a semi, so I hardly think we're going to win the flag.  You obviously don't think any free agents will move next year if you think Pick 36 will stay with the premiers.

    I didn't say it would stay with the premiers, but that's a pretty big gamble to say we have to at least make a semi for the trade to simply be equal worth.

    Also, who even knows if FA compensation will exist next year? Will there be priority picks for anyone next year? Just more gambles. I prefer to play it safe than gamble away our future.

     

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    17 hours ago, ProDee said:

    That's not my recollection.

    We would've had to have been pretty ignorant to not see the writing on the wall, or at the very least factor it in as a possibility.

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    Just happy to get it done. The upgrade softens it slightly given our ability to find players around that pick.

    Dodoro was never going to budge. I wouldn't have put it past him to keep Hibberd on for next season if we didn't play ball.

    Hopefully that's the last we have to deal with them for a while.

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    Hibberd vs another skinny kid from the draft? We're one of the youngest teams in the comp. This is a great result. 

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    28 minutes ago, Nasher said:

    You can't look at it like that.  What if pick 30 had a better strike rate? Would you then conclude that you'd prefer to have pick 30 than pick 29?

    I just did. I was responding to a comment that pick 29 has a 50/50 strike rate. I say its worse than that. If you want to have a discussion about whether you would prefer Michael Hibberd OR have pick 29 and be able to choose from a pool of 500 to find someone better good luck.  I'll leave you to it.

    It was about whether Hibberd is worth pick 29 which I happen to think he is. He is exactly of the age, hardness, experience etc that we need.

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    2 hours ago, beelzebub said:

    we are now a football team relying less on the magical maybe out one of raw kids and focusing on ready to go types for TODAY. Tomorrow will be fine.

    Welcome Michael

    First name terms now Beez:)

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    58 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

    Hibberd vs another skinny kid from the draft? We're one of the youngest teams in the comp. This is a great result. 

    I'm sure we could have drafted an obese kid if we really wanted to.

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    2 hours ago, stuie said:

    Geez that's a massive slide in points from 47 to 57, didn't realize the difference was so great.

    As for our list, as it stands we have 1 free spot right? So if we traded Dunn and delisted Dawes that makes 3 spots. Then using 1 draft pick and upgrading two rookies fills those 3 spots. Correct? And we don't have to use all our picks, just 3.

    I know we can use our last picks to upgrade, but why would we bother using pick 84 in the draft?

     

    Chris Grant.   Drug Lord Jim?

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    10 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

    anyone know what bomberblitz are saying?

    Sh#T, bugger and F##K

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    Is Hibberd a better player than Melksham? Are they similar types? Did MFC need both? Are there any other questions I should be asking? If yes, what are they?

    Edited by bingers
    wrong spelling

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    2 hours ago, AngryAtCasey said:

    Next move.  Dunn, Pick 57 & 59 (340 points) to the filth for Picks 47 (316) & 83 (0) .  Puts them in a better position re father/sons.

    The trade next years future 2nd Round Pick to Saints for 36.

    Can't work Garland into it somewhere :)

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    38 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

    anyone know what bomberblitz are saying?

    They called their draft forums "Essendon is not appealing draft board".

    I lol'd.

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    1 hour ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

    We would've had to have been pretty ignorant to not see the writing on the wall, or at the very least factor it in as a possibility.

    Which is not what you said.

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