How do we get Prestia AND Hibberd to the club?

[stevethemanjordan 6,952]

Just now, Mach5 said:

I still think cashing in on Dean Kent's currency isn't the worst idea.
Far too inconsistent for my liking.

There's no way we'd shop him around. He's played 46 games.

If he was a 100 + gamer and playing with the same inconsistency then I'd share your sentiment.

So much time to develop.

[Mach5 4,767]

10 minutes ago, stevethemanjordan said:

There's no way we'd shop him around. He's played 46 games.

If he was a 100 + gamer and playing with the same inconsistency then I'd share your sentiment.

So much time to develop.

There is, yes.
But I think he's the type of player that would get a deal done, if you really want to make this happen.

Grimes and Dawes are not.

[Ted Lasso 19,518]

On 7/14/2016 at 2:39 PM, Mach5 said:

There is, yes.
But I think he's the type of player that would get a deal done, if you really want to make this happen.

Grimes and Dawes are not.

I think Kent and 2017 first rounder would be half a chance to get a deal done for Prestia, if he were to declare his intention to join the MFC.

[Adam The God 30,259]

6 hours ago, stuie said:

Hibberd with pick 27 this year.

Prestia (if we actually want him) with next years first rounder and ANB.

Grimes is a free agent btw.

 

The most likely scenario, I think, mate. If they end up going for our first rounder next year they'll be losing their VC and a pick 10 (or was it pick 9?), while gaining pick 10-12 and someone like ANB. I think we'd say that's fair given Prestia wants to come home.

5 hours ago, billy2803 said:

To get Prestia, I think we need to "exploit" the academy points thing (which I know SFA about, but obviously Mahoney does).  With the GC having a couple of players that they will pick up through their academy this year, could we couple of 2nd and 3rd round picks, and potentially a player (i.e. Grimes), in exchange for the 1st round pick we gave GC last year, which we then trade back for Prestia?

As I said, I don't know enough about the points system, but from my minimal understanding, GC need to offload early picks so that they don't use them on academy players.  Hope that makes sense, and I'm sure I will get some feedback about my above scenario - be gentle if it's not possible!

With regards to Hibberd, I think it could depend on getting a potential deal done with Prestia, then seeing what we have left.  I must admit, I far prefer the idea of him coming to us as a DFA.

There should be no reason why we will use ANB as trade bait.  2nd year player that Roos picked, developing lovely in the reserves, will only be better next year, he's the type of player that could bite us on the bum if we move on at the end of this year.  And further to that, he's the type of player that if he was at a different club, we'd be wanting to trade in to our team.

Aren't the AFL looking at closing this loophole before the end of 2016?

[daisycutter 29,616]

46 minutes ago, AdamFphlebeb said:

The most likely scenario, I think, mate. If they end up going for our first rounder next year they'll be losing their VC and a pick 10 (or was it pick 9?), while gaining pick 10-12 and someone like ANB. I think we'd say that's fair given Prestia wants to come home.

Aren't the AFL looking at closing this loophole before the end of 2016?

they've only stated that each pick trade must show a real benefit and not a sham

[Bay Riffin 1,474]

1 hour ago, Abe said:

I think Kent and 2017 first rounder would be half a chance to get a deal done for Prestia, if he were to declare his intention to join the MFC.

I would be loathe to give up Kent. he gets bagged on here but he is a bit of a talisman for us. his pace and kicking are elite, and as his tank builds he will become a central player for us. he has the two assets we have in low quantities at present.

[Adam The God 30,259]

52 minutes ago, Bay Riffin said:

I would be loathe to give up Kent. he gets bagged on here but he is a bit of a talisman for us. his pace and kicking are elite, and as his tank builds he will become a central player for us. he has the two assets we have in low quantities at present.

His kicking is not elite. Sorry. He's 50/50. Either a beautiful, penetrating kick or a mongrel floater.

[CatFishPig 454]

Just announced Prestia having surgery (minor) on knee.. His currency is going down..

 

[Bombay Airconditioning 6,395]

4 hours ago, stuie said:

Mitchell's a gun player, we can get a KPD from elsewhere, we don't have to trade like for like.

 

 

4 hours ago, rjay said:

'stuie', unless Tom Mitchell can play KPD then that's a poor trade. Only worth anything to us if it's part of a bigger trade to land Hurley, Talia or the like.

I would take Mitchell not that he would want to come to us. Let's say Mitchell goes to the Hawks, and Tmac asks to be traded to Sydney, what does that leave us with, a pick? Could we land a player from the Hawks? 

R-Jay I get what you're saying with regards to "tall for a tall"  but it doesn't always work that way. If we are going to lose Tmac I want an established player in return.

[samcantstandya 1,052]

2 hours ago, Abe said:

I think Kent and 2017 first rounder would be half a chance to get a deal done for Prestia, if he were to declare his intention to join the MFC.

I'd pass rather a goal kicker & a young kid in a strong draft

Edited July 14, 2016 by samcantstandya

[Akum 2,660]

52 minutes ago, CatFishPig said:

Just announced Prestia having surgery (minor) on knee.. His currency is going down..

 

On the one hand, good! If his currency's going down, all the better for us.

On the other hand, bad! If he's having surgery now rather than postponing it, either his knee's even worse than it was, or he's decided to stay.

[Bay Riffin 1,474]

1 hour ago, AdamFphlebeb said:

His kicking is not elite. Sorry. He's 50/50. Either a beautiful, penetrating kick or a mongrel floater.

off one foot with little time he is pretty good. yes he kicks floaters but so do other elite kicks under pressure. He is the most pivotal player for us when we are transitioning well from half back to half forward. with pace and kicking.

[Satyriconhome 10,878]

Ah, posters with no idea about footy trying to trade out Kent, Goodwin and Roos who have played him all season, must be laughing their socks off

Meatball is a good player but seriously

[stuie 7,374]

14 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

Ah, posters with no idea about footy trying to trade out Kent, Goodwin and Roos who have played him all season, must be laughing their socks off

Meatball is a good player but seriously

Kent is one of my favourites and I would never trade him myself, but you've got to give something of value to get something of value. We're hardly going to be able to trade Dawes, Terlich and Newton for Prestia just because there's lots of them.

So maybe tuck that attitude back in mate, or get a better grasp of how trading works.

 

[dazzledavey36 54,939]

5 minutes ago, stuie said:

Kent is one of my favourites and I would never trade him myself, but you've got to give something of value to get something of value. We're hardly going to be able to trade Dawes, Terlich and Newton for Prestia just because there's lots of them.

So maybe tuck that attitude back in mate, or get a better grasp of how trading works.

 

Oh god the irony..

[stuie 7,374]

2 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Oh god the irony..

Talk footy mate.

 

[Satyriconhome 10,878]

13 minutes ago, stuie said:

Kent is one of my favourites and I would never trade him myself, but you've got to give something of value to get something of value. We're hardly going to be able to trade Dawes, Terlich and Newton for Prestia just because there's lots of them.

So maybe tuck that attitude back in mate, or get a better grasp of how trading works.

 

That's my point, I don't think Prestia is worth Kent, if that makes sense, Kent has finally got a injury free run at it, he has so much potential, to get rid of him now borders on insanity......I know the game is won and lost in the midfield but how many do we want, and small fwds are pretty much covered for me as well..............

Edited July 14, 2016 by Satyriconhome

[stuie 7,374]

Just now, Satyriconhome said:

That's my point, I don't think Prestia is worth Kent, if that makes sense, Kent has finally got a injury free run at it, he has so much potential, to get rid of him now borders on insanity,

I think the people suggesting it were generally saying Kent plus a pick weren't they? Don't think anyone suggested a straight swap, at least that I saw. I love Kent, think he gives us some things we lack, but I do understand that we'd need to give up something of equal value to get Prestia, whereas too many suggest fanciful trades that would never happen in reality.

 

[Ted Lasso 19,518]

On 7/14/2016 at 7:25 PM, Satyriconhome said:

Ah, posters with no idea about footy trying to trade out Kent, Goodwin and Roos who have played him all season, must be laughing their socks off

Meatball is a good player but seriously

Stupid comment Saty, the comment was made because Kent is a good player he would have some currency, teams wouldn't want a bloke who'd played all year at Casey would they?

[Red and Blue Flame 187]

would not be trading kent - he's young and our best small forward. Jay Kennedy Harris and 1st rounder would do it

[Satyriconhome 10,878]

15 minutes ago, Abe said:

Stupid comment Saty, the comment was made because Kent is a good player he would have some currency, teams wouldn't want a bloke who'd played all year at Casey would they?

Can somebody give me a breakdown as to why we require Prestia   he hasn't set the world on fire up to now   yes he is a good player   

[Older demon 2,741]

Unless Prestia is having an op and won't play again this season because he has told Gold Coast he is leaving means I would not be interested at all especially at the price quoted. Wonder if the Richmond doctor has checked him out?

[spirit of norm smith 16,459]

Prestia will go to the Tigers for pick 7ish as a straight swap. 

Hibberd to Demons for MFC second round pick # 27 ish

[Ted Lasso 19,518]

On 7/14/2016 at 8:15 PM, Satyriconhome said:

Can somebody give me a breakdown as to why we require Prestia   he hasn't set the world on fire up to now   yes he is a good player   

The thread title is " How do we get Prestia AND hibberd to the club" the suggestion is we don't get both without giving up a player, Kent being an option. 

Prestia has spent most of the last two years with niggling injuries but was one of the best clearance players in the comp last year anyways, he has a handy turn of speed and very good skills, he in my opinion has the capacity to be a genuine A grade mid and a potential captain down the track, already V/C at the suns. just needs an injury free run. 

landing a player of his quality would be significant for the club, and he would improve the side quite a bit. 

the argument rightly is that because prestia plays mainly as an inside mid, would we have to many of that type, i don't think you can ever have to many quality players, if he wants to join the club, i think we'll get a deal done.

[rjay 24,928]

1 hour ago, Satyriconhome said:

Ah, posters with no idea about footy trying to trade out Kent, Goodwin and Roos who have played him all season, must be laughing their socks off

Meatball is a good player but seriously

They played Frawley & Howe all season too 'Sat'...it's not a one dimensional indicator that the player mustn't be traded.

Kent is a promising player but you've got to give to get.

What would you say if Kent was part of a deal to get Hurley or a fit O'Meara.