25 minutes ago, worldwideweb_demon said:

Can't the melbourne footy club do this? Can we trade Jesse to the highest bidder against his wishes? It's probably going to make other players hate our club though if we did!

No. Player has to agree to join prospective club, can't be moved against their will.

2 hours ago, Abe said:

I disagree, Jesse has a contract so he has the right to take his time making this decision, we can't and won't force him to do anything 

 

maybe technically correct, but that would turn next year into a huge circus and a major distraction, neither of which would be desirable

Rumoured back issues

+

Rumoured family illness

+

Second year blues / kicking troubles

+

Massive salary cap burden

=

Contract where he is given additional leave grace to visit home, as well as improve his back and work with a kicking specialist while over there. On considerably reduced dollars in the short term, but with a commitment to the club longer term.

 

So, who's the best physio and the best goalkicking specialist in Perth? And can we later convince them to move across to Melbourne?

6 minutes ago, Little Goffy said:

Rumoured back issues

+

Rumoured family illness

+

Second year blues / kicking troubles

+

Massive salary cap burden

=

Contract where he is given additional leave grace to visit home, as well as improve his back and work with a kicking specialist while over there. On considerably reduced dollars in the short term, but with a commitment to the club longer term.

 

So, who's the best physio and the best goalkicking specialist in Perth? And can we later convince them to move across to Melbourne?

Just so happens I'm a physio and a goal kicking expert goffy. I'm also what you may call a 'life coach' but I'll throw that in for free.

34 minutes ago, Flamingdees said:

Pick three this year. No pick in round one next year at this stage. 

That's not true.  They have their 2017 1st but they can't trade both 2016 and 2017 1sts because they traded 2015 1st and must use 2 in 4 years.

Guess they'd have to trade back into the first round this year so can use next years first round pick. 

1 hour ago, Redleg said:

I expect him to work to his and the Club's timetable, not yours or other supporters.

..or for that matter the blood sucking,Demon hating and heartless, unconscionable media.

7 minutes ago, Flamingdees said:

Guess they'd have to trade back into the first round this year so can use next years first round pick. 

or next year or the year after. they must use 2 first round picks by 2018

Jason Dover is his manager, so not sure what relevance Petroro has to any of this?

3 minutes ago, willmoy said:

..or for that matter the blood sucking,Demon hating and heartless, unconscionable media.

Not a fan of the footy media Willy?

1 minute ago, Demonator said:

Jason Dover is his manager, so not sure what relevance Petroro has to any of this?

Someone may correct me on this, but I believe Tom Petroro is Jason Dover's boss, so I think he would know something of what was going on.

Just now, Wiseblood said:

Someone may correct me on this, but I believe Tom Petroro is Jason Dover's boss, so I think he would know something of what was going on.

right....well i guess it has quite a bit of relevance then

9 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Not a fan of the footy media Willy?

Journalism has been brain dead and cremated since i found out that to graduate you must agree!

1 hour ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

All well and good Rocky and I do respect your post but why then didn't he extend his contract earlier in the season before putting contract negotiations on hold?

Because of his Dad's health i would have assumed. If he is really crook now it is very unlikely hit has just come on in the last couple of months, in fact we know that's not the case becasuse we had at least two posters intimate his Dad was unwell early in the season.

Its not hard to imagine a scenario where he is loving Melbourne, his Dad is stable and he makes noises about extending his contract. And then unfortunately his dad's health deteriorates and everything changes and he feels he has no choice but to put things on hold. After all he has a contract for 2017.

I really don't understand the debate given what we know about his situation. The scenario outlined by GNF and Nasher above is by far the most likely and logical one to play out, particularly given last Friday Goodwin said as much (ie we are in no hurry).

 

1 hour ago, worldwideweb_demon said:

Can't the melbourne footy club do this? Can we trade Jesse to the highest bidder against his wishes? It's probably going to make other players hate our club though if we did!

No they can't, a player has to agree

36 minutes ago, binman said:

Because of his Dad's health i would have assumed. If he is really crook now it is very unlikely hit has just come on in the last couple of months, in fact we know that's not the case becasuse we had at least two posters intimate his Dad was unwell early in the season.

Its not hard to imagine a scenario where he is loving Melbourne, his Dad is stable and he makes noises about extending his contract. And then unfortunately his dad's health deteriorates and everything changes and he feels he has no choice but to put things on hold. After all he has a contract for 2017.

I really don't understand the debate given what we know about his situation. The scenario outlined by GNF and Nasher above is by far the most likely and logical one to play out, particularly given last Friday Goodwin said as much (ie we are in no hurry).

 

 

On 03/08/2016 at 1:50 PM, Grand New Flag said:

Confirmed: Hogan has informed our club he intends to re-sign. Contract negotiations have begun and will probably be completed this year but could take up to 6 months. 

Hogan put contract negotiations on hold in February. GNF's post was only last month.

So his fathers health got better between February and August then declined again after GNF's post? 

 

41 minutes ago, Flamingdees said:

Guess they'd have to trade back into the first round this year so can use next years first round pick. 

And the 2nd round too, Freo have 1 pick inside the top 50

 

3 hours ago, praha said:

Granted, but the club also has a right to protect its investment/s and do what's within its own best interests: if Hogan wants to get to WC but can't this year, then he signs an extension otherwise he'll be wearing a Dockers guernsey in 2017. That is not unreasonable.

People keep repeating over and over that he's contracted for 2017, but all the fact does is highlight the severity if finalising his future.

Contract extensions are nothing new but with free agency these days they play an important part in list management.

What you will see now is teams trading contracted players with one year left to teams that will either do a sign-and-trade deal for the long term, or take on that salary for a year to fulfil their obligations and then free up space in a year with a strong free agency class. It's how it's done in the NBA and it's how it will be done here.

Anyone that wants the club to risk an unsure Hogan and keep him playing for Melbourne in 2017 without agreeing to an extension are shockingly misguided. In 2006 that might have been a reasonable train of thought, but it infuriates me when people say, 'HE'S CONTRACTED AND HE WILL PLAY IN 2017'. It's not that simple in 2016. We stand to lose so much if he leaves after 2017. It is completely unreasonable to argue that he is not "ready" to make a decision. I completely understand there are deeply personal issues here but I'm sorry, we all bang on about no player being bigger than the club and for us to just stop and be casual about it...we stand to lose a lot here.

He either signs an extension or the club trades him.

He either makes a decision or the club trades him.

I'm pretty confident this will be sorted by Christmas.

Unless Hogan and the club signed a contract which stated something like:

"If an extension has not been brokered before the commencement of the trade period prior to the final contract year, the Club reserves the right execute a trade with the best offer and/or suitor available."

Because frankly, if it doesn't, everything in your post means zip. 

7 minutes ago, McQueen said:

Unless Hogan and the club signed a contract which stated something like:

"If an extension has not been brokered before the commencement of the trade period prior to the final contract year, the Club reserves the right execute a trade with the best offer and/or suitor available."

Because frankly, if it doesn't, everything in your post means zip. 

I think you are on the money Steve.

No manager with half a brain would allow that in a contract let alone the players union.

It would give the player no bargaining power.

13 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

 

Hogan put contract negotiations on hold in February. GNF's post was only last month.

Ok his Dad's health worsened in February. Shesh

By the by seems a bit strange for you to quoting GNF to back up a point you are trying to make given the disdain you have shown him

4 minutes ago, binman said:

Ok his Dad's health worsened in February. Shesh

By the by seems a bit strange for you to quoting GNF to back up a point you are trying to make given the disdain you have shown him

I'm not using it to back up what I'm saying, if anything it demonstrates even more the post was completely fabricated or he's been fed the wrong information. 

22 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

 

Hogan put contract negotiations on hold in February. GNF's post was only last month.

So his fathers health got better between February and August then declined again after GNF's post? 

 

Brace yourself....

11 minutes ago, McQueen said:

Unless Hogan and the club signed a contract which stated something like:

"If an extension has not been brokered before the commencement of the trade period prior to the final contract year, the Club reserves the right execute a trade with the best offer and/or suitor available."

Because frankly, if it doesn't, everything in your post means zip. 

Jesse does not have to make a decision on his future intentions this year. The MFC would preferably want some direction so it can plan for the future either with or without him. 

Bottom line is Jesse has a contract for next year. 

If he asked for a trade this year one of or both Freo and WCE would have to throw everything but the kitchen sink at us in order for a trade to be facilitated.  It would have to be some sort of mega deal that would be too hard for us to refuse otherwise he plays for us next year. 

23 minutes ago, AzzKikA said:

And the 2nd round too, Freo have 1 pick inside the top 50

 

Gee wiz. They are going to have to let a few players go in order to trade back into the draft. 

There list is not looking too flash with Pavlich gone, Munday, Sandilands coming to the end along with a few others. Ballentine, Barlow and Mayne on the way out.  They'll get bugger all for these blokes. 

13 hours ago, RalphiusMaximus said:

Did you actually read the article?  His point is rather more complex than telling rape victims to grow up as the headline implies.  It's also dead right. 

Yes I did an no I don't think he is. That's me out