On 30/04/2016 at 07:26, KingDingAling said:

Viney is right. We will play finals before St Kilda, and once they lose Riewoldt and Montagna, they will be lucky to even make the finals.

That is speculation based on no evidence that I can see. Barring 3 or 4 of our players, the rest lowered their colours drastically today, and that wasn't about Riewoldt and Montagna. The Saints are better balanced and more consistent than us, with just as many young guns. 

18 uncontested marks in their fwd 50. No-one withink coeee of Reiwoldt all day. Everyone at the ground could see it unfold wave afetr wave of St K attacks with up to 3 players by themselves in the fwd 50. Probably tired the poor dots.

The worst defensive effort I have seen for some time, probably worse than the Essendon game. 

Their run and spread from clearances was outstanding.

Gawn was monstered all day in the ruck. You simply cannot jump into a bloke to stop him from jumping himself.

I am over these mids throwing the ball.

We overused the football time and time again.

Kent, Salem Hunt, Lumumba Jetta, Garlett Frost, Dunn

All had shockers.

McDonald played one his worst games for the club.

The players had no idea what they were doing in defence. Time after time a StK player would run down the outside wing by themselves into a fwd line where they would stand unattended for up to 40 seconds. Completely outcoached. The coaches were clueless and had no answers. Move Dunn to FF because he botched up so many times in defence. FMD

No plan B from these bunch of muppets in the coaching box.

As for playing our home game at THEIR home ground the AFL should go and fist themselves.

I was forced to watch the game on television, so couldnt see who was picking up Reiwoldt in the first half.

It wasnt Lamumba was it?

He seemed to be closest player to him (bloody 20 metres away) when he got the ball on a lot of occasions!

  On 30/04/2016 at 07:32, Moneider96 said:

Our defence and midfield were lazy today. That's why we lost: laziness. 

Not sure what the uncontested stats were today but I bet they smashed us like Essendon did in round 2

it looks like we'll stay at 10th on the ladder. 

We win, we lose, we don't move. 

This calms me down a wee bit ...

  On 30/04/2016 at 07:17, pinkshark said:

  On 30/04/2016 at 06:54, leave it to deever said:

Sarcasm IS truly the lowest form of wit

no that is just a convenient comment for people to make when they say stupid [censored]

“Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit, but the highest form of intelligence.”

― Oscar Wilde

Damn it wish I had quoted him properly

After watching that, anyone focussing their attention on the criticism of a 16 possie, 5 tackle, 3 assist debut need their head read. 

We played too high, they were too quick and spread a lot harder for longer than we did. We didn't stick tackles. We carried 5-7 players and are not good enough to cover that.  Not helped by us playing one tall too many forward for Etihad. 

 

  On 30/04/2016 at 07:24, Django said:

I'm sure it has been mentioned but WHO THE [censored] WAS ON RIEWOLDT IN THE FIRST HALF?

Absolute amateur hour that was. 

 

  On 30/04/2016 at 07:25, Clint Bizkit said:

Not McDonald.

McDonald started on him at centre bounces and then let him run off. We were playing a zone defence. Trying to in any case. It was an unmitigated disasted with no plan B

Incredibly disappointing.

was hoping at times that we would 'bounce back', but we just didn't.

this was poor in many dimensions.  We looked flat, slow and almost disinterested.  Why we couldn't run a basic defensive plan (1 on 1, even!) after the Saints had strolled through us at least half a dozen times is beyond me.

we were pushed out of contests, and they spread so much better than us.

Hogan lived up to his billing.  Often he was running up to the wings, he stuck a ripper tackle, and marked stuff he shouldn't have. Awesome.

Frost had a 12 point turn around- running into goal and missed a sitter.  They went coast to coast for a goal.

Lumumba is a liability.  Chook with his head cut off.  Enough.

CP5- good learning day.  Got caught with it a bit early, but his delivery to Hogan from the center was a gem.  Looked like he was puffing a bit!

short break?  Ahead of ourselves? Poor application and effort?  Who knows, but we were average today.  We still kicked 15 ( more than we would have last year), but apart from a few players, well down on what's required.

 

  On 30/04/2016 at 07:05, Tnc dee said:

How the hell do u have 2 less inside 50s yet lose by 40 got me stuffed I'm getting [censored] at this side showing up one week and then looking like there council workers (minus the shovel) the following one dig deep boys and give back to those who have supported u through the bad times

18 uncontested marks in their fwd 50. That's how. Let them run loose and take marks at will.

Some of the posts on Petracca .. Honestly we want a 1st gamer after a knee reco to be a champion & rack up 40 poss & win the game for us! 

 

  On 30/04/2016 at 05:47, olisik said:

Should've played Oliver and Trenners

Or at least Oliver but according to you "Experts" out there not many agreed with me!

Outside run minimal and beaten with quality clearances!!

  On 30/04/2016 at 07:20, praha said:

In Roos' defense, the team was flat today. Anyone sitting with 10 rows of the pitch on the wing would have seen that within the first 5 minutes. Major communication issues on the bench with rotations because players were coming off on their own accords because they were spent. I saw it. I saw maybe 10, 11 times when players were screaming out to the bench to come off for a spell. 

When you're flat, you play lazy football. You give hospital handpasses. You give away dumb free kicks. You give your opponents space. You run off your opponent to chase another opponent to make up space that you've *already* lost. 

I know it's a shithouse excuse, but a 5.5-day break, at Etihad, against St.Kilda...well, it was the worst possible match to play after a quick turnaround. 

Roos was outcoached in the Essendon match. Not today. The Saints played Etihad to perfection. Melbourne was flat, and combined with how [censored] we play that ground, nothing the coaches could have done would have won that game.

We also played with an attack flair that has Goodwin all over it. I think Goodwin was heavily influential today. I think the frustration you saw today was him not having any answers, not him not being able to do anything.

But surely the poor defensive structure has to take part of the blame. The no. Of times they got out the back was ludicrous.

We came out all guns blazing and looked good the first ten minutes.

But once they got a few out the back and with our defence so poor I think they gained a lot of confidence and lifted their work rate.

Just like the Bombers game we were killed on the outside and had no decent back men to stop them marking inside fifty.

That would have to go down as one of the worst performances by our backline in a while.

  On 30/04/2016 at 07:50, DeeZee said:

We came out all guns blazing and looked good the first ten minutes.

But once they got a few out the back and with our defence so poor I think they gained a lot of confidence and lifted their work rate.

Just like the Bombers game we were killed on the outside and had no decent back men to stop them marking inside fifty.

That would have to go down as one of the worst performances by our backline in a while.

And that's saying something. 

Petracca was not the problem. End discussion on him there. The hype surrounding him this week was akin to what happened with Jack Watts. It wasn't a disaster, and he did some good things, many others who should be hanging their heads before him. 

Petracca is the last one who should be criticised today. Save your venom for MacDonald, Lamumba, Dunn, Garlett and Kent. They should have been the leaders but were the problem.

  On 30/04/2016 at 06:43, dave said:

Cannot for the life me think why you would have a go at a kid playing his first game, seriously bad dude

Who is having a go?? 

I said his debut was underwhelming. He was poor with his ball use and his fitness was lacking. I expected the later but thought he'd be ok with ball use.

As I already said I'm sure he'll be fine but compared to the debut games of Oliver, Brayshaw, Hogan and even Hunt/Wagner, I thought he looked overawed and a little behind pace. 

I would rather discuss this than for the thousand time discuss how slow and uncompetitive we were 

How precious are we that we can't discuss a first player's game with honesty?? He is of more interest to me than some NQR team fillers like Frost and Bugg to be honest. 

Saints were quick.

Outplayed badly today.

Kent, Garlett, Bernie....all shut down.

  On 30/04/2016 at 07:45, Hogan2014 said:

Some of the posts on Petracca .. Honestly we want a 1st gamer after a knee reco to be a champion & rack up 40 poss & win the game for us! 

 

It's the Demonland way......

  On 30/04/2016 at 06:05, reynolds46 said:

the demons are the side that just keep on giving 

Giving what?

  On 30/04/2016 at 07:53, Jaded said:

Who is having a go?? 

I said his debut was underwhelming. He was poor with his ball use and his fitness was lacking. I expected the later but thought he'd be ok with ball use.

He directly had 3 goal assists. Aside from a poor shot at goal and getting caught a couple of times he was fine. 

  On 30/04/2016 at 07:41, jnrmac said:

 

McDonald started on him at centre bounces and then let him run off. We were playing a zone defence. Trying to in any case. It was an unmitigated disasted with no plan B

That zone defence is a joke and it never works.

Its a cop out, and an excuse and any decent backman would say 

"I'm on Reiwoldt all day".

Tom Mac did not do this in deed or word and the coaches need to stop giving him an out.

  On 30/04/2016 at 07:04, Skuit said:

I understand where you're coming from and I don't want to be a parrot Flaubert, but my sentiment was that what Jack said in no way contributed to this loss. It may have been indicative of a mind-set but I doubt it. We're instituting a high risk, high pressure game-plan and will always be scored on out the back - such that should the intensity, composure or disposal skills drop a fraction we're in trouble. Is that drop off borne of an arrogance or complacency encapsulated by Viney's statement or perhaps the difficulty in maintaining such a game-style with a young and inexperienced team?

I don't think it's a case of either/or. It's can be a case of both. Our game plan requires that all players play their role. If more than a few blokes forget what they have come to play for, the whole Jenga set collapses. It becomes doubly difficult when as you said you also have a team with as many kids as we have.

I don't want to sound like a parrot either but as I said, the words themselves didn't magically hobble the players and cause them not to kick straight or tackle hard. It's the mindset that is behind the words that is worrying and if others outside the club want to say things like that then so be it. We need to be realistic as to where we are at. 

I also get worried about how Jonesy talks about the 'hard edged Demons being here to stay' and so on. We put three weeks of form together before today. How about we put a full season of those kind of performances together before we start talking about who and what we are?

While we are a mile away from them, Hawthorn don't just win 3 regular season games in a row but they have just won three premierships in a row. They have a right to talk about what they have achieved but when was the last time you heard Hodge and co. pump their own tires up? 

Note: To be fair, Jack DID get 29 touches today so he was far from an offender. I don't worry about his intensity. I do worry though about the messages getting sent through the club however.

  On 30/04/2016 at 08:02, Mydee said:

Giving what?

Heartache