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1 minute ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Disappointing Oliver's not in. We could probably use him instead of Frost especially at Etihad where a fast track means you can be caught out playing too many talls. I know Frost isnt slow but still 

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When I played - think Simon Godfrey disposal, Tony Libratore marking, Aaron Sandilands pace,  and the heart of Joel Bowden - I was the complete package 

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I'm not sure what's so difficult to understand about managing a first year player's workload. It's obvious Oliver is best 22 on ability, but clearly his tank is inadequate at this stage. It doesn't do

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The term "not impressed" tends to suggest that he thinks he's being hard done by. I could understand if he's disappointed, because most players are when they're dropped. But his form to date doesn't w

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2 minutes ago, picket fence said:

Yeah well why rest him if the intention was that he wasn't going the play te following week. Shocking and poor management IMV!

You know he's played four games right? And the team didn't exactly have any passengers on Sunday night. If he comes into the side, who goes out? 

 

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Looks like the coaching and fitness group do not see any lingering effects of the short turn around compared to the Saints. Hope they are right. Would hate to see us run out of legs in the last quarter.

I would have liked to see Oliver come straight back in after his rest but can see the thinking behind minimal changes given the form and results the team has had over the last couple of rounds. it might be good for the young fella to understand that he is not a walk up start at this stage. This also reflects the situation we have at this point with a lot of good, inform players trying to get into a winning team.

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1 minute ago, Generation dee said:

You know he's played four games right? And the team didn't exactly have any passengers on Sunday night. If he comes into the side, who goes out? 

 

Two things what was he told ehen being rested?? Why the rest?? Nup can't have it. Stuffed up last week when rested. 

Who would he relace?? Frost or Harmes !!

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1 minute ago, picket fence said:

Two things what was he told ehen being rested?? Why the rest?? Nup can't have it. Stuffed up last week when rested. 

Who would he relace?? Frost or Harmes !!

Neither of those play in his position. 

For the sake of team balance, and fitness, let him play in the VFL.

He's an 18 year old kid ffs. 

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5 minutes ago, picket fence said:

Yeah well why rest him if the intention was that he wasn't going the play te following week. Shocking and poor management IMV! If as some posters have speculated he needs to build a tank then he wouldn't have gained anything from not playing last week ! An in retrospect he is now behind the 8 ball> Don't agree at all with this!

must be out of favour, picket. probably get traded out at this rate

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3 minutes ago, picket fence said:

Yeah well why rest him if the intention was that he wasn't going the play te following week. Shocking and poor management IMV!

Says more about your understanding of player management  than player management itself. It is obviously not about form. The club has a team of fitness professionals who closely monitor loads and performance both on match day and at training and would know a touch more about managing a first year player than you, but hey, that's just my view. 

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Why did they just rest him if they weren't going to play Oliver the following week?

Shouldn't  he have played at Casey?

Unless he had some soreness or a tiny niggle.

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1 minute ago, nutbean said:

Says more about your understanding of player management  than player management itself. It is obviously not about form. The club has a team of fitness professionals who closely monitor loads and performance both on match day and at training and would know a touch more about managing a first year player than you, but hey, that's just my view. 

So Nutbean what would you have done starting from his Rested situation?? Eh?

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3 minutes ago, picket fence said:

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I wish you would give it a rest, carry on like a petulant child every Thursday night! 

Fwiw I am disappointed Oliver misses, but I now have faith that we know what we're doing. 

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1 minute ago, DeeZee said:

Why did they just rest him if they weren't going to play Oliver the following week?

Shouldn't  he have played at Casey?

Unless he had some soreness or a tiny niggle.

Maybe he needed an actual proper rest?

He's an 18 year old kid in his first year of senior footy who played 7 games of senior footy in a row, including a limited pre-season. 

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Disagree Picket. Petracca for Brayshaw is like for like.

Oliver for Frost is not, Frost has been doing well as a quick defensive forward who can also provide a target/spoil... 

and Harmes has a more versatile game than Oliver at present, and is playing his role(s) well...

 

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1 minute ago, Jesse Christ said:

I wish you would give it a rest, carry on like a petulant child every Thursday night! 

Fwiw I am disappointed Oliver misses, but I now have faith that we know what we're doing. 

Oh how illuminating !! You have faith eh?? Well Virginia there really truly is a Santa Claus!! What present will he give to the MFC I wonder??

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4 minutes ago, picket fence said:

So Nutbean what would you have done starting from his Rested situation?? Eh?

As I said in my original post, leave it to the professionals. We can both agree that he wasn't left out for poor form, therefore I leave managing of 1st year players to the fitness staff who may actually have a bit more insight ( coupled with a degree of two) into these types of decisions. 

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3 minutes ago, picket fence said:

Oh how illuminating !! You have faith eh?? Well Virginia there really truly is a Santa Claus!! What present will he give to the MFC I wonder??

A dummy for you probably seeing as you are always spitting yours out,  child 

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10 minutes ago, DeeZee said:

Why did they just rest him if they weren't going to play Oliver the following week?

Shouldn't  he have played at Casey?

Unless he had some soreness or a tiny niggle.

I think it's more that they are now very aware of the work loads on first year players.  Brayshaw was spent by midway through last season.

Oliver is a 10 year prospect, he'll play plenty of footy. No need to over do it early

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24 minutes ago, picket fence said:

I really question the rationale and decision making regarding the managemnet of Clayton Oliver Rested last week and if not injured then he should have been a walk up start this week. His impressive form in all but his latest game ( two weeks ago) demanded his reselection. If he doesn't play I don't like it OR agree with it.

Terrible player management IMV!

agreed, he should have come in before Tracca

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