2 hours ago, Peter Griffen said:

It makes it harder to find a trade, GWS will still demand at least one first rounder for CM, so if they want Hogan as well they better be willing to hand over some good players. 

Peter, do you have the inside word on Jesse's thinking?

We hear rumours that he's "definitely" going and others that the "loves" Melbourne. Do you have any mail?

21 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

Both Hogan threads were a disgrace pages ago, and it will only get worse as people sprout their supposed inside knowledge and reputable sources that we all know are garbage. 

Its going to be a long 2 years... 

Talk of him leaving for Fremantle wouldn't even be happening if he played at least one good game out of the two. Because of the start he's had, posters all of a sudden have sources who know he's leaving. 

20 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

This thread is turning into a disgrace. 

I was only just thinking htf it has anything related to dropping Hogan.

3 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

Talk of him leaving for Fremantle wouldn't even be happening if he played at least one good game out of the two. Because of th start he's had, posters all of a sudden have sources who know he's leaving. 

Well....

Ahh, [censored] it.

I'm not entering into this discussion.

1 hour ago, leucopogon said:

We'll get screwed on any Hogan trade that's for sure. Prepare yourselves to accept an Ed Langdon or a Matt Taberner and some later round pick swaps. 

This scenario of Hogan walking probably will not happen but the possibility just shows that the AFL must negotiate with the AFLPA to get agreement on player movements. If the ALFPA wants free agency after 6 years then clubs need full control over their players. Forget FA, players are now just walking when they feel like it but clubs like us need the power to put these kids up to the highest bidder. That would reduce the likelihood of your Hogan's walking at contract end and maximise our recompenense, as we can shop him around to the highest bidder. Gee we can invest upwards of $100k a year on these draftees and just watch them walk to to a top club, if they are good, of course. Stuff the more common journeyman player, and we are talking probably 600 or so players who the AFLPA couldn't give a flying fluck about it seems. 

 

56 minutes ago, Diamond said:

He clearly wants to go to Freo who need a forward. He's missing home. 

There's nothing "clear" about it. 

10 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

Talk of him leaving for Fremantle wouldn't even be happening if he played at least one good game out of the two. Because of th start he's had, posters all of a sudden have sources who know he's leaving. 

Spot on. 

Plus you'll get those who make up the rumours to stir the gullible who eat it all up and start thinking the worst over nothing. It's regular as clockwork. 

Well, we'll just have to wait till the end of the year to see who's right.

1 hour ago, adsy said:

I'm aware of how the FA system works. However, if he comes to the club at the end of the season, 'I want a trade to Freo and I'm not going to sign a new contract next year,' then the club will have no choice but to oblige, despite him being contracted as the following year. The following year he could walk to them via the PSD and it's not in anyone's interest to keep him at the club if he doesn't want to be there. 

You said, "He's gone and has agreed to terms with Freo". 

I'm saying that is patent nonsense. 

You can please yourself. 

Its fair to say Hogan will eventually return back to WA. Whether its this year or end of 2017 or maybe couple years who knows. But the family pull is a massive factor. 

1 hour ago, Ted Fidge said:

Peter, do you have the inside word on Jesse's thinking?

We hear rumours that he's "definitely" going and others that the "loves" Melbourne. Do you have any mail?

Without delving into it too much I was of the thinking he was GAWN until tonight

Where the fk has all this come from?

depression after the Dons loss or has something changed in the past two weeks?

9 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Its fair to say Hogan will eventually return back to WA. Whether its this year or end of 2017 or maybe couple years who knows. But the family pull is a massive factor. 

Look, I'm not going to keep arguing this, because it's a waste of time, but why "is it fair to say" ? 

It appears that your view is based upon pure fiction due to his state of origin. 

And if that's all it is you may as well shut up, because it's nothing more than guess work and certainly not "fair to say".

17 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Its fair to say Hogan will eventually return back to WA. Whether its this year or end of 2017 or maybe couple years who knows. But the family pull is a massive factor. 

I'd say might, not will. Same thing was said of Nick Riewoldt, even more so when the Suns came in to the comp and could offer him the Earth. 

I truly think he won't leave if we are successful. The travel for Perth sides is terrible and the AFLPA keep pushing for longer holidays. There's every chance he could spend all of October until after Christmas in WA as a senior player. There's also the reality of him going from a boy to a man and if that means finding a partner from Melbourne he might not be going anywhere.

Win a good share of games this year, sign him on to 2019/2020 and worry about the rest later is what I'm hoping for.

1 hour ago, ProDee said:

Look, I'm not going to keep arguing this, because it's a waste of time, but why "is it fair to say" ? 

It appears that your view is based upon pure fiction due to his state of origin. 

And if that's all it is you may as well shut up, because it's nothing more than guess work and certainly not "fair to say".

I have my reasons for it and its not based on state of origin.

So you have pretty much crapped on for no reason.

 

 

3 hours ago, ProDee said:

There's nothing "clear" about it. 

Exactly

And his manager has made it clear multiple times that Hogan loves living in Melbourne, and while managers are usually full of crap its at least words from an official source very close to the situation.

 

 

Edit, here is the quote from hos manager just one month ago

 

“He has two years left on his contract and there is no rush.

“Jesse has already indicated his commitment to Melbourne in late 2014 when he extended his contract by an extra two more years without playing a game.”

“Melbourne is where he wants to be and nothing has changed. He is heavily committed to the Melbourne footy club and nothing has changed.”

And another from his manager

 

“He’s still got two years left on his contract so it’s not something we have to do overnight,” Bain stressed.

“He loves it in Melbourne, if he was to be delisted tomorrow he’d stay here.”

13 hours ago, SaberFang said:

There's an element of Frawley-ism creeping back into the team. The whole "waiting for improvement" copout, while refusing to accept their own inability to compete is a big part of the problem.

It was Frawley two years ago, Howe last year. I'd hate to see the same crap from Tom McDonald and Hogan from here on. Be a part of the solution, not the problem!

Given the impending TV rights deal and the jump in the cap, it's a rather more legitimate stance from players this time. Frawley and Howe were simply looking to use the club to up their wages. Fortunately, our FD realised we didn't need them in our plans going forward and subtly pushed them out, but they did their best to ensure we gained maximum compensation in the process. 

But I do agree with your sentiment. 

2 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Its fair to say Hogan will eventually return back to WA. Whether its this year or end of 2017 or maybe couple years who knows. But the family pull is a massive factor. 

Come on, mate. What a rubbish call. You've no evidence of that at all...

Whole thing is a joke & overreaction to a kid playing in his second yr in the toughest position!

Get real people he's reaction is frustration & to be expected.. Coaches will assist him in working through it.... 

 

Weirdest thread ever.

Abuse, innuendo, anger, speculation, egotism, lies, jealousy. It has it all.

The emotional immaturity of some posters on here beyond belief.

A bad loss and we all go Lord of the Flies.

Not the Melbourne I really want to be a part of.

The club should take Jesse off air for a while.  And give a script to mfc people before interviews so they say the same stuff.  eg Roos says Hoges looked tired, Vince says it was the poor delivery.  It doesn't matter which, I would just like to hear a consistent voice from the club. 

Jesse keeps getting wheeled out, on his own, for no apparent or seemingly silly reasons and sometimes innocently triggers a headline eg vs the Ox.  He doesn't need the attention and it creates more pressure.

There is a sense of dejavu here.  We overexposed an ill prepared Jack Watts on field too early creating untold pressure.  We now seem to be overexposing Jesse off field in roles for which he seems equally ill prepared.   And the external pressure on him is mounting. 

The club should protect him and get him off air because now that the gloss of winning the RS has worn off, the media standard questions are awful: contract, run-up, sooking.  All negative and for which there are no real answers - a terrible media situation for him. 

Just let him play.   

1 hour ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

The club should take Jesse off air for a while.  And give a script to mfc people before interviews so they say the same stuff.  eg Roos says Hoges looked tired, Vince says it was the poor delivery.  It doesn't matter which, I would just like to hear a consistent voice from the club. 

Jesse keeps getting wheeled out, on his own, for no apparent or seemingly silly reasons and sometimes innocently triggers a headline eg vs the Ox.  He doesn't need the attention and it creates more pressure.

There is a sense of dejavu here.  We overexposed an ill prepared Jack Watts on field too early creating untold pressure.  We now seem to be overexposing Jesse off field in roles for which he seems equally ill prepared.   And the external pressure on him is mounting. 

The club should protect him and get him off air because now that the gloss of winning the RS has worn off, the media standard questions are awful: contract, run-up, sooking.  All negative and for which there are no real answers - a terrible media situation for him. 

Just let him play.   

2 hours ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

The club should take Jesse off air for a while.  And give a script to mfc people before interviews so they say the same stuff.  eg Roos says Hoges looked tired, Vince says it was the poor delivery.  It doesn't matter which, I would just like to hear a consistent voice from the club. 

Jesse keeps getting wheeled out, on his own, for no apparent or seemingly silly reasons and sometimes innocently triggers a headline eg vs the Ox.  He doesn't need the attention and it creates more pressure.

There is a sense of dejavu here.  We overexposed an ill prepared Jack Watts on field too early creating untold pressure.  We now seem to be overexposing Jesse off field in roles for which he seems equally ill prepared.   And the external pressure on him is mounting. 

The club should protect him and get him off air because now that the gloss of winning the RS has worn off, the media standard questions are awful: contract, run-up, sooking.  All negative and for which there are no real answers - a terrible media situation for him. 

Just let him play.   

I agree with keeping him off air, but has he even been on air except for that one pre-training interview following the Saints NAB game? I don't think they're running around using him as a marketing tool in the media, no more than other young players.

i don't believe the club is doing enough to protect Jesse at this stage, keep him away from the media he has enough on his plate. 

I am not of the opinion anything major has changed with Jesse's commitment to the club, clearly he has a few things on his mind outside footy and i'm sure they're playing a role in this, but a good number of AFL players do at some stage. 

Jesse will be fine when he returns to doing the basic things, we all know how good he is and he knows how good he is, once he gets back to playing his role, the team will be fine. 

I think we're missing Dawes a fair bit out there, he has the leadership to keep Jesse Leading and so on when he falls into these slumps. 

He'll be fine.