24 minutes ago, whatwhat say what said:

if mac had been available to us via nga we would have traded out of the pick that became jvr

How are other clubs getting two  academy or nga or F/S picks each year?

Because they  are handling it by getting points for the trades If the other Clubs can do it so can we if we are prepared in advance. But the AFL robbed us with the rules change. 

8 minutes ago, 58er said:

How are other clubs getting two  academy or nga or F/S picks each year?

Because they  are handling it by getting points for the trades If the other Clubs can do it so can we if we are prepared in advance. But the AFL robbed us with the rules change. 

JVR wasn't NGA or F/S. If we'd matched on Andrew we wouldn't have been able to draft JVR.

57 minutes ago, Redleg said:

How many games have you seen him play Layzie?

I've seen him play against my Grand Sons last season (Broadbeach V Mt Gravatt) and whilst he did Ok, I would encourage everyone to just temper their enthusiasm a tad. He is still young, and a big fella so no doubt will take time to get to his full potential (hate that word). Let's see how he goes this coming season and hope he goes up a notch or two then we can get excited. In meantime he is an OK player.

1 hour ago, Redleg said:

How many games have you seen him play Layzie?

Just the Allies game and one against Cannons. Small sample size but also likely more than Joe Blow down the street.

I would let Kalani be. No point speculating too early.

Let him just have fun and continue just playing footy.

It's a very important decision he will need to make in the next 12+ months. While, we all hope he chooses the Demons, in the end, he has choose what is best for him.

I wish him all the very best.

2 hours ago, Docs Demons said:

I've seen him play against my Grand Sons last season (Broadbeach V Mt Gravatt) and whilst he did Ok, I would encourage everyone to just temper their enthusiasm a tad. He is still young, and a big fella so no doubt will take time to get to his full potential (hate that word). Let's see how he goes this coming season and hope he goes up a notch or two then we can get excited. In meantime he is an OK player.

Was that the game he kicked 6??

1 hour ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Was that the game he kicked 6??

Gee wizz he only did “ok” but still kicked a bag! It’s flags mate

5 hours ago, 58er said:

Irrelevant. If Mac was our first pick we would  have made the points somehow even if we wanted JVR. You have to look at it that we would like both not just be satisfied with one star. 

Clubs are doing their homework if they want the best. 

That works, if JVR was to slide to the 5th round.

Edit, I see Old55 explained this.

Edited November 14, 20241 yr by tilly18

2 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Was that the game he kicked 6??

Yep

53 minutes ago, RedLegs23 said:

Gee wizz he only did “ok” but still kicked a bag! It’s flags mate

Junior footy in Brissie against the bottom side. You would have kicked 6 RedLegs!! As I said leave him be and I hope he makes it but a long way to go for him IMO.

5 hours ago, old55 said:

JVR wasn't NGA or F/S. If we'd matched on Andrew we wouldn't have been able to draft JVR.

Interesting hypothetical. 
Clubs are getting very good at trading out their early pics for bags of rubble in the 40s, 50s and 60s. Just look at what GC did last year. If you still have some draft capital left after the bids, you can trade back in just after where you left.

Lots of variables around this one. It’s possible that if Andrew was tied to us, he would’ve dropped further down the picks and not cost so much in late pics.

The simplest way we could have made a play to get back into the 2020 draft after matching and picking up Andrew is by trading 2 of our 2021 pics.

Pretty unlikely we would’ve done that as it (pick 19) would’ve cost the picks used on Jeffo and Adams.

We should revisit this in 10–15 years and compare possibilities. 
Andrew may have a stellar career. But our picks from the 2021 draft may be CHF and CHB of our next dynasty. 

 

Honestly, I expect him to want to stay up north.  That's kind of obvious.  What 18 year old is going to choose to move across the country rather than do the same job for the same pay in his backyard where all of his friends and family live?  Assuming both clubs want him, he'd be insane to pick Melbourne.  

14 minutes ago, RalphiusMaximus said:

Honestly, I expect him to want to stay up north.  That's kind of obvious.  What 18 year old is going to choose to move across the country rather than do the same job for the same pay in his backyard where all of his friends and family live?  Assuming both clubs want him, he'd be insane to pick Melbourne.  

The Ashcrofts 

7 hours ago, RalphiusMaximus said:

Honestly, I expect him to want to stay up north.  That's kind of obvious.  What 18 year old is going to choose to move across the country rather than do the same job for the same pay in his backyard where all of his friends and family live?  Assuming both clubs want him, he'd be insane to pick Melbourne.  

Play for a pathetic franchise in front of no one or play at the MCG…it’s a no brainer for a footballer.

8 hours ago, RalphiusMaximus said:

Honestly, I expect him to want to stay up north.  That's kind of obvious.  What 18 year old is going to choose to move across the country rather than do the same job for the same pay in his backyard where all of his friends and family live?  Assuming both clubs want him, he'd be insane to pick Melbourne.  

There are other variables.

The G or Carrara?

Opportunity? Max 33 or Witts 32, Reid, Mac and Moyle ahead of you.

History. Play for club dad played for.

Team you supported all your life.

Development. Be mentored by one of the greatest ruckmen of all time.

plus others.

 

Edited November 14, 20241 yr by Redleg

8 hours ago, DiscoStu17 said:

Interesting hypothetical. 
Clubs are getting very good at trading out their early pics for bags of rubble in the 40s, 50s and 60s. Just look at what GC did last year. If you still have some draft capital left after the bids, you can trade back in just after where you left.

Lots of variables around this one. It’s possible that if Andrew was tied to us, he would’ve dropped further down the picks and not cost so much in late pics.

The simplest way we could have made a play to get back into the 2020 draft after matching and picking up Andrew is by trading 2 of our 2021 pics.

Pretty unlikely we would’ve done that as it (pick 19) would’ve cost the picks used on Jeffo and Adams.

We should revisit this in 10–15 years and compare possibilities. 
Andrew may have a stellar career. But our picks from the 2021 draft may be CHF and CHB of our next dynasty. 

 

You're off by a year, Andrew and JVR were in the 2021 draft not the 2020 draft and we traded our F1 from 2022 to get the JVR pick.

Maybe we could have held off in the trade period, used our later 2021 picks to match Andrew and then try to trade back into the first round for JVR with our 22 F1 on draft night. But it would have been very tricky.

I'm on record saying we got dudded by the temporary rule change and we should be pursuing the AFL for draft compensation. Hell, they should love us, we've kept the game in the news and on the back page of the HS for two off seasons.

Edited November 14, 20241 yr by old55

2 minutes ago, old55 said:

You're off by a year, Andrew and JVR were in the 2021 draft not the 2020 draft and we traded our F1 from 2022 to get the JVR pick.

Maybe we could have held off in the trade period, used our later 2021 picks to match Andrew and then try to trade back into the first round for JVR with our 22 F1 on draft night. But it would have been very tricky.

I'm on record saying we got dudded by the temporary rule change and we should be pursuing the AFL for draft compensation. Hell, they should love us, we've kept the game in the news and on the back page of the HS for two off seasons.

Agree Old and so does the AFL media.

We were accepted as the biggest loser of changed AFL drafting/Academy rules and it was more than just Mac Andrew.

Didn't they also take our NT development area away from us after years of playing there and gave it to the Suns?

 

7 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Agree Old and so does the AFL media.

We were accepted as the biggest loser of changed AFL drafting/Academy rules and it was more than just Mac Andrew.

Didn't they also take our NT development area away from us after years of playing there and gave it to the Suns?

 

The evidence will be there after this year’s draft with Andrew's unavailability to us book ended by JUH to the Dogs and Kako to Essendon. I nominate you to prosecute our case Red.

17 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Agree Old and so does the AFL media.

We were accepted as the biggest loser of changed AFL drafting/Academy rules and it was more than just Mac Andrew.

Didn't they also take our NT development area away from us after years of playing there and gave it to the Suns?

 

Just in time for them to get a player out if it!!!

Was it Jeffries?

Thought this was the Kalani White thread !

1 hour ago, Viscount Cardwell said:

Thought this was the Kalani White thread !

The Andrew discussion is relevant with the changes coming to draft points and associated rules next year.

2 hours ago, old55 said:

I nominate you to prosecute our case Red.

Couldn’t do worse than some of the representation we have had lately.

 

57 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Couldn’t do worse than some of the representation we have had lately.

 

Master of rhetoric like you would slay them!

13 hours ago, RalphiusMaximus said:

Honestly, I expect him to want to stay up north.  That's kind of obvious.  What 18 year old is going to choose to move across the country rather than do the same job for the same pay in his backyard where all of his friends and family live?  Assuming both clubs want him, he'd be insane to pick Melbourne.  

Did I get an inkling from something recently (his Dad commenting on the choice?) that the family was prepared to move?

Kalani White wants to play for Melbourne