Training - Monday 1st February, 2016

[Gorgoroth 12,941]

I'm a bit cold on frost...

 

 

I'll get me coat...

[stuie 7,374]

41 minutes ago, McQueen said:

Private messaging is a pretty cool function.

It's really not, trust me.

 

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3 hours ago, beelzebub said:

Neither Dawes nor  Pedo are the answer  though tbh  Ive forgotten what the question was !

If it helps, if Dawes or Pedo are the answer, we're probably asking the wrong question.

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3 hours ago, stuie said:

Not at all BB. You're at least talking footy when you barge! And you raise some good points, including the fact that neither of these two are vital to our success going forward, and there is not a lot between them. Bring on The Weed!

 

They both play CHF, one of the most important spots on the ground, and I was kind of hoping our success starts this year, so they are vital to our success going forward. So........... Unless one of them has been doping, and we can replace them with a VFL player, We're stuffed

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20 minutes ago, tappysquads said:

They both play CHF, one of the most important spots on the ground, and I was kind of hoping our success starts this year, so they are vital to our success going forward. So........... Unless one of them has been doping, and we can replace them with a VFL player, We're stuffed

norm smith was an expert at playing a dummy chf

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1 hour ago, nutbean said:

Why are rewarding this behaviour by giving them a holiday ?

Wouldn't banning them from the site be more apt ?

oh wait.....scrub that...

Rewarding misbehavior by giving a holiday?!  Where have I hird that before?

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2 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

norm smith was an expert at playing a dummy chf

A good chf can sugar coat some other weaknesses (and we have plenty), poor chf' are hard to hide

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Just now, tappysquads said:

A good chf can sugar coat some other weaknesses (and we have plenty), poor chf' are hard to hide

well we don't have much choice, yet

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1 hour ago, nutbean said:

Dawes never reaches any great heights but works harder than Pedo and is constantly competing and bringing the ball to ground - I love that if he cant get the ball cleanly he still tries to impact the contest by bullocking, blocking, shepharding, harrassing. The trouble is that you can't base your entire game around 1%'s - at some stage as a key forward you have to take marks and kick goals and Dawes does not do this enough. We need the likes of Hogan - he doesn't do 1%er's  - he doesn't need to because he 99%ers are so damn good. 

Hogan averaged the same number of 1%ers as Dawes and both averaged less than Pedersen by some margin.

Hogan averaged more goal assists than either.

Btw, I'm not pushing Pedersen's cause, just correcting you.

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22 minutes ago, ProDee said:

Hogan averaged the same number of 1%ers as Dawes and both averaged less than Pedersen by some margin.

Hogan averaged more goal assists than either.

Btw, I'm not pushing Pedersen's cause, just correcting you.

So apparently 0.8 per game is "some margin"...

And 0.2 more goal assists is hardly something worth even noting.

Dawes averaged more tackles than Hogan if you want to bring up random stats... (by 0.3 that is), and has the highest disposal efficiency of all 3.

But it's not like you to just look at stats and then place yourself as some kind of expert who goes around "correcting" people.

 

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14 hours ago, nutbean said:

I enjoy the Dawes/Pedo debate.

I think we all agree that we need better than both.

Pedo's best is better than Dawes but he shows it less than Dawes - As Rjay alluded to  - Pedo is a bit lazy and goes missing for great chunks of the games.

Dawes never reaches any great heights but works harder than Pedo and is constantly competing and bringing the ball to ground - I love that if he cant get the ball cleanly he still tries to impact the contest by bullocking, blocking, shepharding, harrassing. The trouble is that you can't base your entire game around 1%'s - at some stage as a key forward you have to take marks and kick goals and Dawes does not do this enough. We need the likes of Hogan - he doesn't do 1%er's  - he doesn't need to because he 99%ers are so damn good. 

Excellent summation nutty. Can't argue with that.

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4 hours ago, ProDee said:

Hogan averaged the same number of 1%ers as Dawes and both averaged less than Pedersen by some margin.

Hogan averaged more goal assists than either.

Btw, I'm not pushing Pedersen's cause, just correcting you.

I stand corrected - but I now question how they measure 1%ers - not because of the Hogan stat but because of the Pedersen stat. My eyes tell me that this part of the game is Dawes strength  ( all too often the only part of his game) and he has it all over Pedersen in this area - I looked up the definition of 1%er's and to summarise  -knock on, spoil, smother, shepherd, chase, hurry, bump , block.  Does this sound more like Dawes or Pedersen ?

Edited February 2, 2016 by nutbean

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25 minutes ago, nutbean said:

I stand corrected - but I now question how they measure 1%ers - not because of the Hogan stat but because of the Pedersen stat. My eyes tell me that this part of the game is Dawes strength  ( all too often the only part of his game) and he has it all over Pedersen in this area - I looked up the definition of 1%er's and to summarise  -knock on, spoil, smother, shepherd, chase, hurry, bump , block.  Does this sound more like Dawes or Pedersen ?

That's why combining stats with watching the game is always a more "nuanced understanding" than simply quoting stats.

 

[beelzebub 23,323]

Why I don't rely on stats....just watch

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7 hours ago, Gorgoroth said:

I'm a bit cold on frost...

 

 

I'll get me coat...

Maaa,   don't forget ya Hat

[dee-luded 2,959]

6 hours ago, ProDee said:

Hogan averaged the same number of 1%ers as Dawes and both averaged less than Pedersen by some margin.

Hogan averaged more goal assists than either.

Btw, I'm not pushing Pedersen's cause, just correcting you.

I'll push his case if he's in form.... he can mark,  crash packs,  & roam around the forwardline rotating with Hogan.   So both can rotate with each other high or deep. trying to upset the defenders.

Pederson can go in the ruck, & if Gawn does a muscle, Pedro can take over.

[ManDee 7,134]

12 hours ago, stuie said:

That's why combining stats with watching the game is always a more "nuanced understanding" than simply quoting stats.

 

Stuie that is right 50% of the time the other 25% is open to speculation, and 2 out of 3 observers can only read stats half the time. Other than that I agree 100% with something you said but disagree vehemently with that other stuff. Bring on the footy, I'm bored.

[stuie 7,374]

1 hour ago, ManDee said:

Stuie that is right 50% of the time the other 25% is open to speculation, and 2 out of 3 observers can only read stats half the time. Other than that I agree 100% with something you said but disagree vehemently with that other stuff. Bring on the footy, I'm bored.

Haha, nailed it. You need to do a mic drop after that.

 

[ManDee 7,134]

1 minute ago, stuie said:

Haha, nailed it. You need to do a mic drop after that.

 

[ManDee 7,134]

 Not Dawsy, same same but different.

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[ManDee 7,134]

23 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

Yeah I hate it when that happens.

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1 hour ago, ManDee said:

Yeah I hate it when that happens.

i thought it was a habit only of one-eyed filth supporters 

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1 hour ago, daisycutter said:

Hmmm. Nice selfie

Edited February 3, 2016 by It's Time

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3 hours ago, daisycutter said:

 

2 hours ago, ManDee said:

Yeah I hate it when that happens.

 

1 hour ago, daisycutter said:

i thought it was a habit only of one-eyed filth supporters 

No.. They do it through their tooth sockets.