16 minutes ago, bing181 said:

Some gems in the report - makes for edifying reading, and for anyone who thinks the players are somehow innocent victims in all this:

On 20 April Mr. Melksham sent a text message to Mr. Dank asking, “Do I need to have a drip? Haven’t had one this week.” Mr. Dank replied, “No. Did I inject you this week?” Mr. Melksham said, “Two Thymols”.

Sobering.

16 minutes ago, Scythe said:

All I hope for now is that snivelling, [censored]-poor excuse for a man Stephen Dank gets what's coming to him.

If only he rides to the rescue of the players with his spread sheet in tow...

Hahaha John Worsfold Hahahaha

what a new job

karma...

39 minutes ago, Peter Griffen said:

I am told Jakes contract with us has conditions that if a guilty verdict is handed down his salary is significantly reduced, there is no way the clubs/boards who pick up these players would agree under normal conditions,

Saints and Port are paying big money for Carlisle/Ryder

 

Ch 7 reporting that the players are not allowed to be paid...

These are in a row from Bomberblitz.  Moderate and mild compared to some

AFL needs to step in here and ditch the WADA code. It's a farce.

They had to lower the standards of proof, alter the code and find a panel of compliant stooges to pull this off. It is more about showing all sports players that you should 'take the deal' when offered whether you are innocent or not.
 

Hey Mr Little
I think you're job isn't done yet
Call Gill & tell him we're sitting this season out & how's that gonna affect his bottom line

 

It's the way corruption works. The IOC were corrupt. They created a corrupt body WADA to do their dirty work. and a corrupt commission CAS to ratify that corruption. They're no different to FIFA.
This decision will be seen for what it is one day. And I wouldn't want to be a judge who put his name to it. Won't look good on the CV.

And an alternative view.  There are a few

really sad... but no blaming anyone but the people involved with the suppliment progrram.
thanks hird for destorying the club.
i cant belive i also had an infant bomber jumper that is due to arrival in the mail today.

 

Edited January 11, 20169 yr by Bimbo

Can we trust Goodwin? He already has one black mark against him by pursuing Melksham.

Just now, jnrmac said:

Ch 7 reporting that the players are not allowed to be paid...

That must be what he meant, I mentioned how [censored] it would be if a bloke got suspended and the club had to  pay him, and he said, the clubs knew that wouldn't be an issue, cheers for that

The principles behind WADA apply to us all. If you use a tax agent to do your tax and they make errors whether intentionally or not you are liable for penalties no matter the trust you had in the tax agent etc. Its up to you to make sure what goes into your tax return (body) is legal. The only issue is that for us penalties are usually not backdated and the Taxman is far more ruthless than WADA.

3 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

Ch 7 reporting that the players are not allowed to be paid...

 

Jobs will be found...

2 minutes ago, Bimbo said:

These are in a row.  Moderate and mild compared to some

AFL needs to step in here and ditch the WADA code. It's a farce.

They had to lower the standards of proof, alter the code and find a panel of compliant stooges to pull this off. It is more about showing all sports players that you should 'take the deal' when offered whether you are innocent or not.
 

Hey Mr Little
I think you're job isn't done yet
Call Gill & tell him we're sitting this season out & how's that gonna affect his bottom line

 

It's the way corruption works. The IOC were corrupt. They created a corrupt body WADA to do their dirty work. and a corrupt commission CAS to ratify that corruption. They're no different to FIFA.
This decision will be seen for what it is one day. And I wouldn't want to be a judge who put his name to it. Won't look good on the CV.

And an alternative view.  There are a few

really sad... but no blaming anyone but the people involved with the suppliment progrram.
thanks hird for destorying the club.
i cant belive i also had an infant bomber jumper that is due to arrival in the mail today.

 

Delusional fools at Windy Pill

Very relieved that justice has been done. 

Could this be a watershed moment for the AFL? That they start to now address the underlying problems/issues when they become apparent, instead of focusing on the spin?

So it looks like Melksham is out for the season unless CAS has already taken into account the provisional time served and the AFL can reduce the suspension by that amount. That is a blow but not a surprise. Lucky it isn't 2 seasons. I have a suspicion that these proceedings may have been drawn out deliberately. Only 12 left at Essendon instead of 34 and another 17 retired or delisted and 5 at other clubs. It is a much reduced impact on the club and the league than if it had been dealt with more expeditiously.

3 minutes ago, Elusive Tunbridge said:

 

Jobs will be found...

Not in AFL land. They are not allowed to associate with a professional sporting club of any code for the suspended period. 

7 minutes ago, wretched.sylph said:

sorry, but this doesn't effect Goodwin yet.

It doesn't effect Goodwin "period" as he was not included in the ist of eleven EFC coaches, medicos and consultants individually named on the document previously posted on Demonland. 

EFC, the AFL and other effected Clubs (such as us, Port Adelaide and St. Kilda) should all now move on and plan for the coming season (by upgrading rookies etc). What shouldn't be allowed to happen is for the AFL to intervene and soften the penalty by allowing the EFC twelve top-up players. By doing so, they effectively would unfairly penalise the VFL and other Clubs where they would seek to source their top-up players.

https://www.asada.gov.au/news/court-arbitration-sport-decision-essendon-players

Whack

1 minute ago, Redlegs said:

So it looks like Melksham is out for the season unless CAS has already taken into account the provisional time served ...

It's already taken into account. They were banned for 2 years from the date of the Tribunal results (31 March 2015), which would take it until March 2017. But they've already served 4 ½ months provisional, which brings it back to November.

2 minutes ago, biggestred said:

https://www.asada.gov.au/news/court-arbitration-sport-decision-essendon-players

Whack

 

 

ASADA CEO Ben McDevitt said: “This unfortunate episode has chronicled the most devastating self-inflicted injury by a sporting club in Australian history.”

 

“At best, the players did not ask the questions, or the people, they should have. At worst, they were complicit in a culture of secrecy and concealment.”

 

 

 

 

Edited January 11, 20169 yr by Petraccattack

1 minute ago, Chris said:

Not in AFL land. They are not allowed to associate with a professional sporting club of any code for the suspended period. 

But still easily done.  For example, a job with a sponsor who 'surprisingly' reduces its financial support to the club by a similar sum.  Or if that is seen as too obvious, a job with a company which has an individual who is a big donor.

21 minutes ago, Petraccattack said:

this is so awesome...  oh god

What a great day 

No it's not. It's a terrible day. Saying it's a great day is like saying dropping a bomb on Hiroshima was great because it brought WWII to its end.

But if CAS formed the view that the players (a) took a banned substance and (b) knowingly did so, then a terrible day is the day we had to have. We cannot allow drugs in any sport. EFC stand condemned for its cavalier attitude both with its lack of care for the rules and more importantly its lack of care for its players. 

 

Looks like they'l have to get real jobs for awhile.  I would expect a few to retire as well.

I don't think any club should get top up players as it reduces the penalty for EFC, I know it affects us but he hasn't played for us so we won't miss him.

The interesting thing will be the number of civi law suits, how strong is that EFC loyalty now?

 

 

Re Goodwin, this from ASADA:

"The CAS result brings this matter to a close."

Players should sue their lawyers!  Not only have they received terrible advice from the start, they did not object to WADA 'strands in a cable' approach at the beginning of the hearing.  After they heard that approach they tried to get it thrown out.  Too late, said CAS.  See s 110, 111 and 112 http://www.tas-cas.org/fileadmin/user_upload/Arbitral_Award_WADA_ESSENDON.pdf

S 120 lays out the 'strands in a cable' approach taken by WADA...no wonder player lawyers suddenly wanted to rescind their agreement to allow WADA to use that approach.

CAS quite clearly shows how it connected the dots.  BTW, CAS exonerate Dr Reid.

You have to wonder if at any stage the player lawyers actually looked to how WADA or CAS operate.  Incompetence, ignorance, hubris - who knows but the players are entitled to ask them a few  questions.

And, all the people giving interviews in the media should stop and read the report as they are clearly talking drivel!!

 

I have no emotions I can truly process other than to say I'm thrilled we have a player getting good money who can't even play for us next year because he has been found guilty of doping. 

I continue not to understand why we took him on. Hardly seems worth it. Hope I'm proven wrong in the long term (and to think we cleared out Cross from the list!)

Jobe would be on ? 800 k a year , retires due to the suspension and damage done to his mental health and reputation and possible side effects , he would have played until he was 32-33  Theres a 3-4 million dollar payout to begin with . 34 players to be paid out are they looking at 25 million ? 

"They were also found not guilty originally don't forget. That optimism wasn't completely baseless.

Something massive has to have swayed the decision so much."

Quote from bomber forum in Big Footy.

They still just don't understand.