He seems a fantastic decision maker with great anticipation. Because he never stops moving and initiating he's always making, or trying to, something happen.

Where Toumpas couldn't evade and looked weak in the contest it's the opposite with Parish.

I'm no expert on him, but it's hard not to like what you see.

Spot on summation ProDee. And he does it on a regular basis. There may well be blokes with 'higher ceilings' as the experts term it, but right now we need blokes who can get to the contest quickly, time and time again.

Looking at Parish frame he looks like the kind of build that will bulk up pretty easy. Once he gets a big bigger we'll see him lining up in the center circle roving off Gawnys taps.

For someone who is quite slight and small he is ridiculously good overhead.

Looking at Parish frame he looks like the kind of build that will bulk up pretty easy. Once he gets a big bigger we'll see him lining up in the center circle roving off Gawnys taps.

For someone who is quite slight and small he is ridiculously good overhead.

He's not great overhead in the traditional sense of the bigger bodied player or aerialist but he really commits himself which I like, he takes front position and doesn't take his eyes off the pill.

If you have to name a best lineup in the centre square round one, assuming parish is what it says on the box, who would you have at this stage?

Let's assume all midfielders are healthy and in form.

Looking at Parish frame he looks like the kind of build that will bulk up pretty easy.

How can you tell? What particular attributes indicate easily bulking up compared to someone who won't? Can you give an example of someone in the ND who won't bulk up based on their "frame"?

How can you tell? What particular attributes indicate easily bulking up compared to someone who won't? Can you give an example of someone in the ND who won't bulk up based on their "frame"?

Because i compare the way his physique is to Nat Fyfe. Not saying Parish will become a big bodied beast like fyfe but Parish is very toned and cut atm and players who are built like that somehow seemed to bulk up well enough. You look at someone like Billy Stretch for example probably same build as parish and already we have noticed how significantly bigger he already looks compared to 12 months ago.

Watts Morton and Toumpas struggled to bulk up over the years because they came in wi5h a body shape of a 12 year. All arms and legs and thats it. They never had the footballers build like the Nat Fyfe who was able to bulk up significantly. Maybe also they all had different metabolism aswell.

Because i compare the way his physic is to Nat Fyfe. Not saying Parish will become a big bodied beast like fyfe but Parish is very toned and cut atm and players who are built like that somehow seemed to bulk up well enough. You look at someone like Billy Stretch for example probably same build as parish and already we have noticed how significantly bigger he already looks compared to 12 months ago.

Watts Morton and Toumpas struggled to bulk up over the years because they came in wi5h a body shape of a 12 year. All arms and legs and thats it. They never had the footballers build like the Nat Fyfe who was able to bulk up significantly. Maybe also they all had different metabolism aswell.

Not sure I really subscribe to the notion that only certain 'builds' can be 'bulked up'

imo anyone can if they put in the hard work. I also doubt that their metabolisms were different, but even if they were, they have access to doctors/trainers/nutritionists etc 24/7 and I'm sure they could have figured out a diet to fit their needs.

Not sure I really subscribe to the notion that only certain 'builds' can be 'bulked up'

imo anyone can if they put in the hard work. I also doubt that their metabolisms were different, but even if they were, they have access to doctors/trainers/nutritionists etc 24/7 and I'm sure they could have figured out a diet to fit their needs

I agree that everyone is capable of bulking up, but some find it MUCH harder than others. It is also quite hard for some footballers to maintain the weight that they do put on as once they begin running they shed it off more easily than others.

Most footballers nowadays have larger frames that are more suited to carrying muscle, but there are some players that are not built in a way that they are able to pack it on (think Garlett).

How can you tell? What particular attributes indicate easily bulking up compared to someone who won't? Can you give an example of someone in the ND who won't bulk up based on their "frame"?

Not sure I really subscribe to the notion that only certain 'builds' can be 'bulked up'

imo anyone can if they put in the hard work. I also doubt that their metabolisms were different, but even if they were, they have access to doctors/trainers/nutritionists etc 24/7 and I'm sure they could have figured out a diet to fit their needs

Some people add muscle much more easily than others, some people retain fast-reacting muscle for much longer, some people have better base VO2, some people have shiny hair and soft smooth skin even though they grew up on a sheep-station.

One of those "Dr Karl Kruzelnicki factoids" is that historical family names were associated with profession, and people named 'Smith' are heavier than people named 'Taylor' even hundreds of years later.

As for why people seem confident that Parish will be a Smith not a Taylor, hard to say. He does seem to have a pretty solid torso, and there's some photos around where there's a lot of sinewy muscle in the arms and legs.

Really the only way to find out would be to cook him and find out if he is more like kangaroo or wagyu.

Shallow means not deep.

Yes it does , so why so many suggested alternatives

Because i compare the way his physique is to Nat Fyfe. Not saying Parish will become a big bodied beast like fyfe but Parish is very toned and cut atm and players who are built like that somehow seemed to bulk up well enough. You look at someone like Billy Stretch for example probably same build as parish and already we have noticed how significantly bigger he already looks compared to 12 months ago.

Watts Morton and Toumpas struggled to bulk up over the years because they came in wi5h a body shape of a 12 year. All arms and legs and thats it. They never had the footballers build like the Nat Fyfe who was able to bulk up significantly. Maybe also they all had different metabolism aswell.

So what specifically was the difference in Fyfe's build to (say) Morton and Watts that indicates that one will be able to bulk up and the other can't?

Hey Dazzle. Can I suggest you wait till you finish that three year course in Human Physiology before you answer any more questions on the subject.

Was just a simple opinion. Certain players can bulk up and some can't. And personally i think Parish will bulk up to have a good afl midfield body in 3 years time.

Yes it does , so why so many suggested alternatives

We are discussing the quality of the top 10-15 players and which options are available.

That is unrelated to discussing the quality of players 30-60+, which is considered to drop off.

Thus the draft is "shallow" i.e. not deep.

So what specifically was the difference in Fyfe's build to (say) Morton and Watts that indicates that one will be able to bulk up and the other can't?

The vibe

As for why people seem confident that Parish will be a Smith not a Taylor, hard to say. He does seem to have a pretty solid torso, and there's some photos around where there's a lot of sinewy muscle in the arms and legs.

Really the only way to find out would be to cook him and find out if he is more like kangaroo or wagyu.

That's actually untrue. There are tests that can be done to ascertain the percentage of fast twitch & slow twitch muscle fibres on the body. The percentage of high twitch fibres will determine how much muscle mass an individual can build up, the percentage of slow twitch fibres in combination with lung capacity & the heart will usually determine how well the individual can perform aerobically.

We are discussing the quality of the top 10-15 players and which options are available.

That is unrelated to discussing the quality of players 30-60+, which is considered to drop off.

Thus the draft is "shallow" i.e. not deep.

Fair enough

Because i compare the way his physique is to Nat Fyfe. Not saying Parish will become a big bodied beast like fyfe but Parish is very toned and cut atm and players who are built like that somehow seemed to bulk up well enough. You look at someone like Billy Stretch for example probably same build as parish and already we have noticed how significantly bigger he already looks compared to 12 months ago.

Watts Morton and Toumpas struggled to bulk up over the years because they came in wi5h a body shape of a 12 year. All arms and legs and thats it. They never had the footballers build like the Nat Fyfe who was able to bulk up significantly. Maybe also they all had different metabolism aswell.

Watts has bulked up significantly from the 2008/09 days.

He's the best player that's going to be there at pick 3, i'd say he's a lock

pick 7 is much less so

I must be missing something but I simply can't understand how the club would prefer Parish to Francis. There are 2 highlights reels on Francis and in one of them he plays as a strong, tall mid, and goes forward. He kicks 4 goals, a couple involving 50m plus kicks. The next segment shows him defending, taking mark after mark. Again, disposal impeccable.

I notice in the AFL highlights reel, in which he talks very movingly about the death of his brother, he says that Brendon Goddard is a role model.

I was quite unaware of this, but Goddard is the very bloke I thought of when watching the first reel.

Francis is a mature kid, who I reckon would play many games in his first season and 200 overall. To me, he represents much more of what the club needs, than Parish. Has anyone else a view about this?

I must be missing something but I simply can't understand how the club would prefer Parish to Francis. There are 2 highlights reels on Francis and in one of them he plays as a strong, tall mid, and goes forward. He kicks 4 goals, a couple involving 50m plus kicks. The next segment shows him defending, taking mark after mark. Again, disposal impeccable.

I notice in the AFL highlights reel, in which he talks very movingly about the death of his brother, he says that Brendon Goddard is a role model.

I was quite unaware of this, but Goddard is the very bloke I thought of when watching the first reel.

Francis is a mature kid, who I reckon would play many games in his first season and 200 overall. To me, he represents much more of what the club needs, than Parish. Has anyone else a view about this?

also a strong chance to be there at pick 7... Parish is not.

I donn't think Roos has got anything to do with it in any way. I be alarmed if he did.

I would be very alarmed if the senior coach did NOT have anything to do with in any way. Sure not THE final word but he must have at least some input or say.

I must be missing something but I simply can't understand how the club would prefer Parish to Francis. There are 2 highlights reels on Francis and in one of them he plays as a strong, tall mid, and goes forward. He kicks 4 goals, a couple involving 50m plus kicks. The next segment shows him defending, taking mark after mark. Again, disposal impeccable.

I notice in the AFL highlights reel, in which he talks very movingly about the death of his brother, he says that Brendon Goddard is a role model.

I was quite unaware of this, but Goddard is the very bloke I thought of when watching the first reel.

Francis is a mature kid, who I reckon would play many games in his first season and 200 overall. To me, he represents much more of what the club needs, than Parish. Has anyone else a view about this?

My view is that I'd much rather the next Ben Cousins than the next Brandan Goddard

I must be missing something but I simply can't understand how the club would prefer Parish to Francis. There are 2 highlights reels on Francis and in one of them he plays as a strong, tall mid, and goes forward. He kicks 4 goals, a couple involving 50m plus kicks. The next segment shows him defending, taking mark after mark. Again, disposal impeccable.

I notice in the AFL highlights reel, in which he talks very movingly about the death of his brother, he says that Brendon Goddard is a role model.

I was quite unaware of this, but Goddard is the very bloke I thought of when watching the first reel.

Francis is a mature kid, who I reckon would play many games in his first season and 200 overall. To me, he represents much more of what the club needs, than Parish. Has anyone else a view about this?

Without having seen a heap of either of them I think Parish has Francis covered for speed, agility, decision making and running patterns.

Francis looks like a man amongst boys as a forward and midfielder. I think like Goddard he'll start off down back and might develop his midfield game in time. I'm not convinced of his midfield potential at the top level.

I wish Parish was 190cm and 90kg with a strong intercept marking game, then he'd be a heck of a player. But just because he isn't doesn't mean he can't be better than the bigger, strong prospect. He's a natural midfielder who brings run, carry and skills with the right mix of competitiveness.

Spotted young Darcy at one of the local pubs tonight and I tell you what, he does not look like a footballer!

Told everybody I was with that he is the likely number 3 pick in this year's draft and they all called [censored].

He didn't stick around long enough for me to ask whether he was likely to put on a heap of muscle over the next few years or if he was going to get a haircut. Sorry guys and girls.

My view is that I'd much rather the next Ben Cousins than the next Brandan Goddard

Be a better night out too. Imagine BJ ?! Talk about ME ME ME

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Edited November 3, 20159 yr by Munga