Nah I don't think the club has thought of that. Gee won't they be surprised when he is suspended for 12 months.

They won't have to pay him if he is suspended. You would hope he's on a Provisional Suspension again this off season just like last off season. That adds up to 12mths Provisional Suspension. I reckon if they are found guilty there will be some consideration for the delay etc and minimal intention on players behalf. So 2yr's might be reduced to 18mths or possibly 12mths. If this were the case and they've already served 12mths Provisional then you might only be looking at worst case half a season to one season which you don't pay him for. Swans took Tippett with half a season penalty and moved on pretty quickly. Plenty of players are injured for 2 or more years. Even so taking all this into account why the hell you would give up a 2nd rounder for him is a mystery to me. Essendon seem to totally ignore the risk other teams are taking in solving their drug cheating problem for them. They should be accepting discounted return on players who's lives they have made a misery.

What strikes me as very odd ( and yet not ) is that the entire industry seems one in silence over this. Its like there's a gag in place..(possible perhaps )

Having said that and given the nature of the net you'd think at least one renegade would prod and poke this discussion.

It's just not on anyone's radar and I fail to understand why.

Because the AFL has asked journos etc to keep it quiet while the GF, trading etc are happening on.

But don't worry bb it will all hit the fan in a month when the silks start arriving in the harbour town...just before the Draft!!!

AFL won't be able to control it then!

Because the AFL has asked journos etc to keep it quiet while the GF, trading etc are happening on.

But don't worry bb it will all hit the fan in a month when the silks start arriving in the harbour town...just before the Draft!!!

AFL won't be able to control it then!

Do you know this as fact or is it your supposition? If it's the former, I worry that the media has lost sight of its role and responsibilities.

The AFL site says the hold-up on Melksham is that we're trying to find another second round pick to give Collingwood for Kennedy. Take it with a grain of salt as always, but it's plausible. Maybe we can get a second round pick for Toumpas from Port?

Do you know this as fact or is it your supposition? If it's the former, I worry that the media has lost sight of its role and responsibilities.

I'm supposing. The rationale:

- there is no logical reason why journos etc are quiet on the subject, afterall CAS will sit in a month.

- the AFL is very controlling and tries to micro manager its image and PR.

- the AFL drip feeds news to journos so it is in their interests to tow the AFL line from time to time.

but could be totally wrong...

The good journos will report news objectively so in that respect they will fulfill their responsibilities when the time comes.

Edited October 13, 20159 yr by Lucifer's Hero

The AFL site says the hold-up on Melksham is that we're trying to find another second round pick to give Collingwood for Kennedy. Take it with a grain of salt as always, but it's plausible. Maybe we can get a second round pick for Toumpas from Port?

Watts? Grimes??

The AFL site says the hold-up on Melksham is that we're trying to find another second round pick to give Collingwood for Kennedy. Take it with a grain of salt as always, but it's plausible. Maybe we can get a second round pick for Toumpas from Port?

link?

link?

Turns out it was The Age I saw it in.

The Jake Melksham to Melbourne deal remains uncompleted - mostly, we think, because Melbourne are still hunting around for another secound-round pick to give Collingwood for midfielder Ben Kennedy, who has nominated the Dees as his preferred destination. Melbourne and Essendon have pretty much agreed a second-round pick will get the deal done. Melbourne became interested in the long-kicking former-first-rounder after watching him play across the half-back line with some success in Essendon's last four matches this year.

I guess at the end of the day most talent is drafted or rookied rather than bought unless you're challenging for a premiership.

Highlights (ho hum):

GWS says Adam Treloar is no certainty to get to Collingwood, with several clubs having made enquiries about him. That comes despite Treloar nominating the Pies as his destination of choice. GM of footy Graeme Allan telling NAB Trade Radio today the Giants were still in negotiations with several clubs.

Interest continues to grow for contracted Carlton forward Levi Casboult. The latest club to throw its hat in the ring appears to be Fremantle, with the Dockers reportedly interested in the Blues forward. If they can't get Cam McCarthy from the Giants, expect the Dockers to go hard after Casboult.

West Coast has lashed out at the AFL for what they believe to be inadequate compensation for losing free agent Scott Selwood. The Eagles received a second round pick, but they think it should have been at least a first round selection.

Promising GWS player Adam Tomlinson is no guarantee to be at the club next season, with his manager confirming there had been significant interest from Melbourne clubs for the contracted GWS star. That comes despite the Giants saying today he would be going nowhere in 2016.

Carlton is believed to have made a strong bid to lure out-of-contract Adelaide midfielder Sam Kerridge back home to Victoria. It has been reported that the Blues could offer Kerridge as much as a three year deal from next season.

Brisbane Lions player Jack Redden last night became the fourth player to move clubs after a deal was secured to trade him to the West Coast Eagles in exchange for pick number 17.

There could be good news on the horizon for Port Adelaide fans with Ollie Wines' manager confirming today that he is expected to start discussions on a new contract for his player with the Power before Christmas.

Highlights (ho hum):

GWS says Adam Treloar is no certainty to get to Collingwood, with several clubs having made enquiries about him. That comes despite Treloar nominating the Pies as his destination of choice. GM of footy Graeme Allan telling NAB Trade Radio today the Giants were still in negotiations with several clubs.

Interest continues to grow for contracted Carlton forward Levi Casboult. The latest club to throw its hat in the ring appears to be Fremantle, with the Dockers reportedly interested in the Blues forward. If they can't get Cam McCarthy from the Giants, expect the Dockers to go hard after Casboult.

West Coast has lashed out at the AFL for what they believe to be inadequate compensation for losing free agent Scott Selwood. The Eagles received a second round pick, but they think it should have been at least a first round selection.

Promising GWS player Adam Tomlinson is no guarantee to be at the club next season, with his manager confirming there had been significant interest from Melbourne clubs for the contracted GWS star. That comes despite the Giants saying today he would be going nowhere in 2016.

Carlton is believed to have made a strong bid to lure out-of-contract Adelaide midfielder Sam Kerridge back home to Victoria. It has been reported that the Blues could offer Kerridge as much as a three year deal from next season.

Brisbane Lions player Jack Redden last night became the fourth player to move clubs after a deal was secured to trade him to the West Coast Eagles in exchange for pick number 17.

There could be good news on the horizon for Port Adelaide fans with Ollie Wines' manager confirming today that he is expected to start discussions on a new contract for his player with the Power before Christmas.

Don't like the last paragraph at all tbh.

We had our chance I suppose!

Don't like the last paragraph at all tbh.

We had our chance I suppose!

Can someone slip in a contract Port Power Melbourne Demons

Don't like the last paragraph at all tbh.

We had our chance I suppose!

Spoke to Wines sister Maddie at a sports function and she was very adamant that he was gonna have a long career there. Ollie and the family are Port family through and through.

Yepp also heard that Ollie is Port 110%

Yepp also heard that Ollie is Port 110%

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Yepp also heard that Ollie is Port 110%

My sauces say Danger to Geelong, but Geelong will have to trade him into the club

The AFL site says the hold-up on Melksham is that we're trying to find another second round pick to give Collingwood for Kennedy. Take it with a grain of salt as always, but it's plausible. Maybe we can get a second round pick for Toumpas from Port?

We should offer next years and restore it later. Or try trade JKH out while he has some small amount of value

Trade out one if the few players on our list with speed?

JKH is not fast.

JKH has good lateral movement, but he isn't much of a sprinter. He's going to have to become really fit to be a good player, get to lots of contests, win the ball and use that sidestep to make space and deliver.

I am amazed that after 800 odd posts, D'Landers only just got onto the WADA issue.

We contributed to about 20,000 + posts on the drug saga over 2 years, then we forget to bring up the fact that the guy we are thinking of recruiting is one of the infamous 34.

That is assuming he is on the list of offenders.

Or what is the evidence he has given during the player interviews.

Personally I can't believe " The New Dee's" would get this past Jacko.

He after all is responsible ultimately.

Has anyone from D'Land have a real connection with the club and have asked the question?

What are you talking about Barney, the WADA thing has been mentioned since page 1 and discussed in depth.

Talking about the Melksham thread, not this one.

My apologies, I have been on holidays up in the non AFL state of QLD.

I am only getting my head around this BS.

My question still stands, has anyone asked the club?

Why would anyone ask the club? Do you seriously think that it would require a supporter to raise the question - oh, gosh, Milkshake is from that club where some players are being investigated by someone...hadn't thought of that?

It has been discussed ad nauseum in this Milkshake thread.

I just hope and have said it before, that the club and its legal team have somehow squeezed in some "no play (WADA sanction), no pay" and a delist option. Still would cost a list place and a draft pick or a trade, but at least it could be terminated and allow us to move on. What would be unacceptable would be to have to carry his not insubstantial salary and a spot on the list for 4Y if he is unable to play for two.

Yepp also heard that Ollie is Port 110%

Just checked on Dan Murphy - most port is around 20 %

Edited October 13, 20159 yr by monoccular

The sooner the the AFL and the Players Association take the clamps off FA and let the clubs fend for themselves, the better. We either have it in an undiluted form (ie a player is eligible for FA as soon as they are out of contract, no compensation for FA loss, restricted FA can still have a place) or we don't have it at all. FA should be the ultimate incentive for clubs to get their act together on and off field, otherwise they will be left behind. The clubs should really be left to sink or swim in the FA sea, but the way the system is currently set up, there will be only be a few big clubs doing the swimming.

Some people will disagree with that, and that's fine. Feel free. All I'm saying is that the AFL shouldn't half-bake FA because it throws up other consequences for player movement and it increases the gap between the haves and the have-nots. Do it properly or don't do it.

I'm picturing a wonderful 'Where's Wally' kind of image of every single AFL player at end of season running around in every direction trying to assemble at the club they think is going to do best the next year.

Maybe players could form sub-club-clubs, where eight or nine players get together and offer their services collectively. "Wanna buy a premiership, we got one, right here."

You would also of course need to end the draft, and have 18 year-olds being signed to their club of choice based on salary, facilities, and sales pitch skill.

Your proposal is a lot like the 'shock therapy' introduction of a market economy in Russia. "Just do it all at once, sink or swim" they said.

Much like in Russia, it would result in a decline in overall population as hundreds of thousands of old people die lonely quiet deaths in winters without any heating, while the entire huge state asset base, royalty rights and mining leases are carved up by whoever has the best connections at the time.

And there would be an inevitable oligarchy at the top which would dominate all new changes and use their leverage to consolidate their advantages, reducing the entire free market experiment to a sham run by corruption and cronyism within a decade.

At first I thought the analogy was a little bit of a stretch, but actually... yup. (Except for the mass death, but that's a Russian tradition.)

Spoke to Wines sister Maddie at a sports function and she was very adamant that he was gonna have a long career there. Ollie and the family are Port family through and through.

yup. jump off the Ollie train boys and girls. we really blew it.

Why our recruitment department wouldn't want two best friends (Viney and Wines) to be blowing up midfields on the MCG for the next 10 years, i will never know.

yup. jump off the Ollie train boys and girls. we really blew it.

Why our recruitment department wouldn't want two best friends (Viney and Wines) to be blowing up midfields on the MCG for the next 10 years, i will never know.

Well, we will have two best mates in Petracca and Brayshaw instead, not to mention Stretch and ANB...the first two arguably have the potential to be even better than the Wines/Viney combo...

Edited October 13, 20159 yr by Ascobar

yup. jump off the Ollie train boys and girls. we really blew it.

Why our recruitment department wouldn't want two best friends (Viney and Wines) to be blowing up midfields on the MCG for the next 10 years, i will never know.

Not sure that being best friends is a factor in draft choices Song, but I share your reflective pain.