Was passing a store just now, they had this on. Thought I heard Howe is definitely gone, didn't hear any more.

was that "Rebel Sport" ?

The funny thing is a lot of us were unhappy giving up pick 23 for Frost.

The Roos mantra has always been that draft picks are speculative and it is often better to take a known commodity. Something our club did not do in the past...

Didn't we get back the ANB and Oscar Mac picks with Frost?

He's not under contract, and nobody else seems to be interested in him. This just doesn't make much sense to me.

Still a big risk - I recall that North Melbourne didn't draft Aaron Davey as there was little interest and thought they would rookie him but we got in first.

If the depth of talent in the preseason draft is negligible then you risk him not getting through to your pick.

The funny thing is a lot of us were unhappy giving up pick 23 for Frost.

To be fair, Frost hasn't actually done anything yet. Looks a likely player but on output, we can't call pick 23 a win or a loss as yet.

Didn't we get back the ANB and Oscar Mac picks with Frost?

We don't actually know the end result yet for Melksham though?

Still a big risk - I recall that North Melbourne didn't draft Aaron Davey as there was little interest and thought they would rookie him but we got in first.

If the depth of talent in the preseason draft is negligible then you risk him not getting through to your pick.

But surely we hold all the bargaining chips here. Why don't we offer Essendon a lower pick? They can either take a third rounder or lose him for nothing.

The funny thing is a lot of us were unhappy giving up pick 23 for Frost.

The Roos mantra has always been that draft picks are speculative and it is often better to take a known commodity. Something our club did not do in the past...

The problem is that commodity has been woeful for the past two years. Mahoney and co are the experts, but it seems overs.

Melksham is a punt in a lot of ways. Here's hoping it's one that pays off.

A 2nd round pick might be overs in another draft year but given I thought it was reported that after the first 20 picks in the draft there was a big drop off in a talent, a 2nd round pick this year may be the equivalent of a 3rd round pick (or lower) in another draft year.

It's not just about the pick number, it's about the talent level of the players you can select at that pick. If the talent in this years draft is low, it might be worthwhile punting away picks outside the top 20 or so for established players if the view is that we'd be unlikely to find a player who could be a regular AFL player at that pick.

But surely we hold all the bargaining chips here. Why don't we offer Essendon a lower pick? They can either take a third rounder or lose him for nothing.

Because if they are prepared to lose him for nothing there is no guarantee that we will get him. Brisbane are certainly taking this tack (so far) with Aish.

The problem is that commodity has been woeful for the past two years. Mahoney and co are the experts, but it seems overs.

Melksham is a punt in a lot of ways. Here's hoping it's one that pays off.

Sorry P Man - he has not been "woeful" for the past two years. He has not reached the heights of 2012/2013 but to suggest he has been "woeful" is not accurate.

( 9th in their B&F last year - hardly a ringing endorsement but also not quite woeful)

Edited October 12, 201510 yr by nutbean

I suppose offering up our second rounder shows how desperate we r at this stage for players who r competitive, of our rebuild mark 20.

As they say beggars can't be choosers.

I don't want Melksham if we have to give up a second round pick, regardless of the 'depth' of the draft. Surely we can do better.

I was hoping we would use that pick for young Rioli

I don't want Melksham

We ain't got a choice devil it ain't up to us.

Redden to Eagles for Pick 17 according to Emma Q

Defantasyland:

• Howe for pick 10 (via Charlie Dixon trade) from GC
• Melksham is worth our 3rd rounder 43

These players are roughly equal value.

Meanwhile deals are getting done ...

Edited October 12, 201510 yr by Fifty-5

Redden to Eagles for Pick 17 according to Emma Q

That seems like too much too. Maybe the draft is considered even weaker than first thought.

Redden to Eagles for Pick 17 according to Emma Q

Must be a player trade for Jetta then...

A 2nd round pick might be overs in another draft year but given I thought it was reported that after the first 20 picks in the draft there was a big drop off in a talent, a 2nd round pick this year may be the equivalent of a 3rd round pick (or lower) in another draft year.

It's not just about the pick number, it's about the talent level of the players you can select at that pick. If the talent in this years draft is low, it might be worthwhile punting away picks outside the top 20 or so for established players if the view is that we'd be unlikely to find a player who could be a regular AFL player at that pick.

It becomes far more attractive if we get their third round pick back - effectively downgrading our second pick by 16 places. In a shallow draft we'd be rationalising that we're just a good a shot at picking a decent player at pick 23 as we would be at pick 39.

Cats have picked up Dangerfield and Scott Selwood on opening day.

If the Cats can get Clark firing they'll have another tilt or two in them.

Unfortunately.

If it's our second round pick for melksham then why hasn't it been signed off on, must be more too it

If it's our second round pick for melksham then why hasn't it been signed off on, must be more too it

Probably because they are working out a swap of later picks.

We did.

Their names are Petracca and Brayshaw.

Surely that's overs

How the kids played 115 games and is 24 years old he had a great 2013 , Watts hasn't had a season like that it's a great win for the club and the kids had those dramas hovering over him now with shadow gone he will show his true worth well done Melbourne I'm so stoked the way Roos recruits the guys a winner.

I don't want Melksham if we have to give up a second round pick, regardless of the 'depth' of the draft. Surely we can do better.

Who would you suggest?