Is this a joke? Most recruiters almost fell off their chair when we called Molan's name. He was rated no where near pick 9. A quick google will tell you callum twomey's 2001 phantom draft had him at 26. Yes he had terrible luck but he was also a terrible selection. Don't defend the indefensible.

I don't dispute that we took him early. My issue is with people ranking him with epic failures such as Cook. Molan could play. His career was ended by terrible luck rather than a lack of ability or application like Cook. I just think it's monumentally unfair to list him as one of the club's great recruiting blunders. You might as well call the Ox an unfulfilled talent because his knees preventing him from matching the career of Carey.

Just in my prime DL

LoL, same... beez

Is this a joke? Most recruiters almost fell off their chair when we called Molan's name. He was rated no where near pick 9. A quick google will tell you callum twomey's 2001 phantom draft had him at 26. Yes he had terrible luck but he was also a terrible selection. Don't defend the indefensible.

yes but that wasn't Luke Molan's fault, we made the pick.

.... so we don't have to drag his families name in the mud.. this is the way we fail as a club, we all blame everything else... its taken us 50 years to get this right.... & time is still ticking away.

We should be dragging our own organisations name thru it. for being incompetent.

let us make a pact,,, all Dee supporters to stop blaming all else, for our Woes.

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Edited October 26, 20159 yr by dee-luded

I'm not sure anyone is dragging the molan name through the mud. Craig Cameron and Daniher got it horribly wrong reaching for the most aggressive player in the draft. Lesson learned. Best available at the pointy end.

Best available with 3 and 7. Hogan will be happy with a plethora of quality midfielders and half backs putting it down his throat.

I don't dispute that we took him early. My issue is with people ranking him with epic failures such as Cook. Molan could play. His career was ended by terrible luck rather than a lack of ability or application like Cook. I just think it's monumentally unfair to list him as one of the club's great recruiting blunders. You might as well call the Ox an unfulfilled talent because his knees preventing him from matching the career of Carey.

He did not play a game - for a top ten pick that is the epitome of a terrible result.

I am not here to judge Molan, Cook, Jimmy, Cale or any other player - I am here to judge how we went at drafting 18 year olds and Luke Molan is on the list of the players that we drafted when we consistently drafted poorly.

I don't care about injuries, they are irrelevant to the fact that we got nothing out of a Pick 9 14 years ago.

If Schwarz is an unfulfilled talent - Molan's career is not in the same hemisphere of critique.

It is up there in a long list of poor drafting decisions.

I was comparing them to Dawes Pederson and Clark.

Was it hard to understand that?

YES it was as we drafted Cook, Watts and Molan whereas we traded in D, P & C from other Clubs, which was your suggested strategy in picking up established KPPs. It was our fault if we made bad choices and/or failed to develop their potential.

Like Watts, Molan or Cook?

Is this a joke? Most recruiters almost fell off their chair when we called Molan's name. He was rated no where near pick 9. A quick google will tell you callum twomey's 2001 phantom draft had him at 26. Yes he had terrible luck but he was also a terrible selection. Don't defend the indefensible.

He did not play a game - for a top ten pick that is the epitome of a terrible result.

I am not here to judge Molan, Cook, Jimmy, Cale or any other player - I am here to judge how we went at drafting 18 year olds and Luke Molan is on the list of the players that we drafted when we consistently drafted poorly.

I don't care about injuries, they are irrelevant to the fact that we got nothing out of a Pick 9 14 years ago.

If Schwarz is an unfulfilled talent - Molan's career is not in the same hemisphere of critique.

It is up there in a long list of poor drafting decisions.

There is absolutely no way that Molan can be called a poor pick - did anyone see him play a bad game? Did he wimp out of any contests? Was his disposal poor?

No, you don't know - nobody knows because unrelated impact injuries killed his career before he could pull on the jumper.

It is totally unfair to compare him with, even name him with any of our 'failed high picks'."

You say you don't care about injuries - well injuries happen and effect careers, whether you care or not.

Bad pick, end of story.

Bad pick, end of story.

Nope. The pick was fine if a little high. The result was bad. There's a massive difference.

Is this a joke? Most recruiters almost fell off their chair when we called Molan's name. He was rated no where near pick 9. A quick google will tell you callum twomey's 2001 phantom draft had him at 26. Yes he had terrible luck but he was also a terrible selection. Don't defend the indefensible.

Callum Twomey would have been about 8 years old in 2001

Callum Twomey would have been about 8 years old in 2001

Got off to an early start...

They were cork surely? How the [censored] old are you bb?

they were either leather, nylon or aluminium(until banned}

never heard of wood or cork

they were either leather, nylon or aluminium(until banned}

never heard of wood or cork

from Wiki Australian rules football[edit]

In Australia, the studs on Australian rules football boots are traditionally referred to as "stops".^[1] Prior to modern molded plastic soles, these were often replaceable screw-in wooden studs.

Now mine weren't screw in..they had prongs that were nailed into the sole and I imagine bent over inside with the innersole protecting

Lots of different types it seems

from Wiki Australian rules football[edit]

In Australia, the studs on Australian rules football boots are traditionally referred to as "stops".^[1] Prior to modern molded plastic soles, these were often replaceable screw-in wooden studs.

Now mine weren't screw in..they had prongs that were nailed into the sole and I imagine bent over inside with the innersole protecting

Lots of different types it seems

Mine too 'bub, not 'prongs' but nails. The umps inspected them before every game to ensure that the stops weren't worn down with the nail heads protruding. You could inflict a nice flesh wound with a pair of well worn stops.

Mine too 'bub, not 'prongs' but nails. The umps inspected them before every game to ensure that the stops weren't worn down with the nail heads protruding. You could inflict a nice flesh wound with a pair of well worn stops.

youre right...nails... I only remember the other side..the prong. Your mentioning of the inspecting of boots rings a bell

I'm not sure anyone is dragging the molan name through the mud. Craig Cameron and Daniher got it horribly wrong reaching for the most aggressive player in the draft. Lesson learned. Best available at the pointy end.

Incorrect. Daniher forced Cameron to take Molan. Cameron wanted the best player at that pick, who actually was not a key forward.

from Wiki

Australian rules football[edit]

In Australia, the studs on Australian rules football boots are traditionally referred to as "stops".^[1] Prior to modern molded plastic soles, these were often replaceable screw-in wooden studs.

Now mine weren't screw in..they had prongs that were nailed into the sole and I imagine bent over inside with the innersole protecting

Lots of different types it seems

Somewhat off the actual topic but when I played schoolboy football I'm sure the stops were laminated leather nailed into the boots.

And we would often disagree on the number and placement of the stops as well.

Also like the late, great Jack Dyer I've never adjusted to seeing modern footballers wearing glorified runners (and don't get me started on the colours).

In my day real men wore real black footy boots, the sort you could wear( without the stops) into combat against the red hoards sweeping down from the north.

Ah they were the days

And if young Weiderman is anything like his grandad, I wouldn't say no.

Ringside wrestler too.

they were either leather, nylon or aluminium(until banned}

never heard of wood or cork

from Wiki

Australian rules football[edit]

In Australia, the studs on Australian rules football boots are traditionally referred to as "stops".^[1] Prior to modern molded plastic soles, these were often replaceable screw-in wooden studs.

Now mine weren't screw in..they had prongs that were nailed into the sole and I imagine bent over inside with the innersole protecting

Lots of different types it seems

The "stops" I wore in primary school in Melbourne's glory days had layers of leather with nails running through them. One needed to hammer them in with the boot on a last (one of those metal feet) to flatten out the nails on the inside. I suspect that MFC players wore similar stops. That's why the bootstudder was an important person at a club.

Before matches the white maggots would come in to the rooms and run their hands over the stops, as some unscrupulous clubs would deliberately leave the nails protruding from the bottom of the stop to allow their players to run them down the shins of their opponents. Back to thread title maybe Sam's grandpa was one of them??

Ah...the good old days.

Edited October 27, 20159 yr by monoccular

Seems there were Layered leather as well as wooden stops, nailed to the sole.

Kinda interesting as a topic unto itself...."our footy boots !!"

One thing I'll say about our recruiting strategy with the first two picks ,is that we pick the ones most likely to succeed rather than recruit on a hunch or a "could develop into something " ,as I don't believe we can afford to take a gamble.

Save that for the later picks.

One thing I'll say about our recruiting strategy with the first two picks ,is that we pick the ones most likely to succeed rather than recruit on a hunch or a "could develop into something " ,as I don't believe we can afford to take a gamble.

Save that for the later picks.

For me, Charlie Curnow is this, he could be an absolute superstar but i think he could be a flop too

Parish for me is just a jet and a really safe option, i'd say Oliver will be a good player as well

Best strategy has to be take best available, regardless of postional need.

In this era of player movement, a graders are 'currency'. we can always trade out surplus a graders for proven players of a certain position the following year.

Draft must be treated as a way to accrue currency.

Trade period to be used to fill holes in the list.

Best strategy has to be take best available, regardless of postional need.

In this era of player movement, a graders are 'currency'. we can always trade out surplus a graders for proven players of a certain position the following year.

Draft must be treated as a way to accrue currency.

Trade period to be used to fill holes in the list.

Even unproven key forwards who showed promise and went as high picks seem to hold far more currency then mids, i mean look at Tom Boyd.

Even unproven key forwards who showed promise and went as high picks seem to hold far more currency then mids, i mean look at Tom Boyd.

yes if there is a gun KPF at the top end you have to take them. Top midfield talent is more common obviously but the draft HAS to be about collecting talent, regardless of clubs positional needs.

A bad mistake to take the tall just because you need him even though he's ranked 12th best talent eg Lucas Cook.

Take the very best available and develop in to bargaining chips come trade week

On the whole, the gun key forwards are all early picks, academy / pre-draft selections or father-sons.