He'd be ahead of M Jones, JKH and Kent in terms of playing similar position for mine, he'd be in my best 22 next year thats for sure.

I'd have him ahead of Jones too, JKH when in form he is not ahead of, and no way is he ahead of Kent when injury-free.

I see him as a serviceable contributor, but in a couple of years we will be calling for him to be cut. Similar to the likes of Jones, Terlich, etc etc

I believe both Harmes and King have been on the rookie list for 2 years now. You can only have one 3rd year rookie, that is King. That being said, Harmes has to be cut or upgraded. I'm guessing the latter

My understand was interstate rookies could be given a 3rd year, hence King. Harmes would need to be upgraded or delisted and re-rookied.

I think??

My understand was interstate rookies could be given a 3rd year, hence King. Harmes would need to be upgraded or delisted and re-rookied.

I think??

that's my understanding too

My understand was interstate rookies could be given a 3rd year, hence King. Harmes would need to be upgraded or delisted and re-rookied.

I think??

Don't think they'd take the chance of delist and re-rookie, he was starting to show something and had a very good final game.

Still no Toumpas

I think this tells us something.

As I have said on another thread, I really feel this club is in good hands and the right decisions on trading and player management will be made.

More interested in hearing about a 6-9 yr deal signed with Hogan.

So that leaves two places on the rookie list. You'd have to think that VandenBerg gets elevated. I would have though Harmes has shown enough to be elevated as well. So we'd be looking for 2 rookies next year. Good point suggesting rookying Hunt, so maybe only 1.

Hogan will probably sign next year, he's still with us till '17

IF White is a rookie again does this mean the Dees will be looking to pick up another defender or are the Dees going to rely on the recent defenders plus Frost. The defence will still be fragile on that basis. King will be a the rookie list for a 3rd year in 2016,what sort of development do we have? Obviously the usual …….. not much. If Hunt can manage to be injury free next year will, I am sure he will be an asset .

I'm rapt with this

Looks like the coaching crew have faith in King, I hope the kid really can start to train like an AFL player in pre season this year.

He has some good skills but he really needs to start lifting his fitness levels and strength to make it.

Pretty obvious Harmes & Vanders will get an upgrade. Well deserved and well done to both...

This is brilliant news, especially for the Rookies.

Interesting to look at our recruiting options now. We've cleared six spots on the main list. Presumably two will go to Harmes and vandenBerg, so four left for FA and drafting? How many more will open up during the trade period?

this is almost as exciting as the pedersen renewal

This is brilliant news, especially for the Rookies.

Interesting to look at our recruiting options now. We've cleared six spots on the main list. Presumably two will go to Harmes and vandenBerg, so four left for FA and drafting? How many more will open up during the trade period?

There will be a few more delistings yet, so the list will again see a fairly significant change.

Whilst I'm not disappointed that we re-signed these blokes, I will be more impressed when a player who has currency on the free market chooses to stay with us.

Whilst I'm not disappointed that we re-signed these blokes, I will be more impressed when a player who has currency on the free market chooses to stay with us.

Like Jones did, or Gawn or others who sign during the year

Whilst I'm not disappointed that we re-signed these blokes, I will be more impressed when a player who has currency on the free market chooses to stay with us.

The only blokes with currency we seem to let go are the ones we know we'll get a better return for.

Has proven true for 2 years in a row now.

There will be a few more delistings yet, so the list will again see a fairly significant change.

Reckon we'll see Terlich paid out and probably Matt Jones gone too. The latter might be more wishful thinking on my part. Howe will go and Garland is touch and go.

Reckon we'll see Terlich paid out and probably Matt Jones gone too. The latter might be more wishful thinking on my part. Howe will go and Garland is touch and go.

The first two need to go as they are not helping us improve, simple as that. I would rather try a couple of delisted players who might make it, or draft some more youngsters.

I think this tells us something.

Still no Harmes.

Looks like the coaching crew have faith in King, I hope the kid really can start to train like an AFL player in pre season this year.

He has some good skills but he really needs to start lifting his fitness levels and strength to make it.

Pretty obvious Harmes & Vanders will get an upgrade. Well deserved and well done to both...

It's obvious for Vanders, he signed a contract.

Still nothing for Harmes just yet...

Interesting how the same set of facts mean different things for different players - we love to place a narrative over everything...

Harmes was mighty impressive when given his chance and he's shown himself to be a loyal Demon who supported the club as a kid. I'm not taking things for granted but I'd be surprised if he's not re-signed soon. Delay could be contractual matters, the fact that he's on holiday or simply to do with the timing of announcing rookie upgrades.

I'd have him ahead of Jones too, JKH when in form he is not ahead of, and no way is he ahead of Kent when injury-free.

I see him as a serviceable contributor, but in a couple of years we will be calling for him to be cut. Similar to the likes of Jones, Terlich, etc etc

All this 'he' 'him' - presumably you are referring to Harmes. Way way ahead of Jones and Terlich I would have thought.

I'd be staggered if Harmes wasn't promoted.

Like Jones did, or Gawn or others who sign during the year

I'll add a caveat to that:

I will be impressed when we can retain blokes with market value when there is another party offering them a deal as well.

As far as I know, Jones or Gawn had entered into negotiations with us alone. There was no other third party coming forth with a concrete offer.

When another club has put an offer to a lot of our existing senior players, and maybe this is just me, they have always turned tail.

Harmes and Vanders to be upgraded. We add two rookies at the rookie draft then wait on white and King to see if they can cut it after next season.