i don't have 100% faith in anyone

that level of faith is for fundamentalist zealots

But you have 100% faith in me.

If we get pick 19 or similar for Howe. In effect Melksham replaces Howe and we move 6 positions in the draft.

Not such a bad result,

Yes, well if GC ends up paying overs then I guess we can't complain too much.

I would trade Howe for Melksham; I don't think Howe would have played much forward if Watts, Petracca, and Kent are fit (and at the club), or in defence if Lumumba, Grimes, Salem, and Stretch are there and fit too.

But you have 100% faith in me.

only with respect to bananas, red

Einstien, any relation to Einstein? Hope so.

Listen Razzle, I'm confused. How can you have "absolute" faith in Roos and then disagree with the decision. Do you ever think about what you write?

And really, are you suggesting that I should ignore the decision of Roos, Viney, Taylor, O'Donnell, Goodwin and McCartney because you and many other supporters don't agree with a second rounder for Melksham? Let's see, Goodwin and McCartney spend years coaching him. O'Donnell will have seen him play many many times. Roos, Viney and Taylor work full time in footy. But no, Razzle Dazzle is upset and says we shouldn't trade a second rounder for him based on what? What do you bring to this debate that our FD doesn't?

I'm not thrilled but I'll at least recognize the collective wisdom that made the decision is light years ahead of anything I know and will read here and therefore I'll back them. So in short, I can understand you don't expect me to work out "why" you and other supporters think. I think the reaction here is just dumb.

Of course you can have faith in someone and not agree with some decisions. Its called Human nature. At times Roos has made mistakes and decision that many have not agreed with but does that mean we should jump off the bandwagon? Absolutely not. Alot of poeple here didn't want Lumumba and yet thats still been a ordinary decision. But i have absolute faith where Roos is taking the club forward and been nothing short of a lifesaver us supporters.

Your becoming the new Saty.. any hint of criticism and your in the front foot with your head up your ass.

I dont agree with the decision. Simple.. now get over it.

You can only offer what you have so if 25 is marginal overs for JM then so be it. Its not like you can pick or choose to offer pick 31 if you don't have it. Sometimes you have to deal with what you have,

BTW are we the first club ever to have done a trade deal with Essendon??

Edited October 12, 201510 yr by jnrmac

It's not massively overs for Melksham (pick 25), perhaps the Dees know what they're getting coming the other way and/or a late pick coming back.

I think many should wait and see what happens. Face value atm it does look a little overs, but let's see the final outcome.

Based on the length of this thread (49 pages) compared to the length of the Dangerfield thread (169 pages) and given what the cats gave up for Dangerfield (1st Round + 2nd Round + 3rd round player) seems we got an OK deal for Melksham.

Welcome to the MFC Jake...

I think having Salem and Melksham coming off the half backline could provide a lot of drive - that has been a weakness of ours for some time.

You are not paying overs if a gap is filled and team balance is improved.

I think having Salem and Melksham coming off the half backline could provide a lot of drive - that has been a weakness of ours for some time.

You are not paying overs if a gap is filled and team balance is improved.

"If" is the key word. Hard to pin your hopes on a bloke who's had 2 crap years. It's like someone giving us pick 25 for Grimes. It's not going to happen.

Edited October 12, 201510 yr by mo64

I think having Salem and Melksham coming off the half backline could provide a lot of drive - that has been a weakness of ours for some time.

You are not paying overs if a gap is filled and team balance is improved.

no-one has said both salem and melksham will playing off the half back line next year, chook

in fact if melksham plays hbf i'd expect salem to be elsewhere

Salem is reported to be moving into the guts

Any confirmation that we actually traded pick 25 for him?

Nothing on the MFC or AFL websites yet.

"If" is the key word. Hard to pin your hopes on a bloke who's had 2 crap years. It's like someone giving us pick 25 for Grimes. It's not going to happen.

It's evident that Milksham was targeted by the FD as a priority get, most likely several months ago, to fill a specific role in the structure that they are building.

After the wins of recruiting last year and just acknowledging the professionalism by which Roos, Goodwin, Viney etc... go about selecting players to bring into the club, I've got confidence this deal will be good for us.

Edited October 12, 201510 yr by PaulRB

Salem is reported to be moving into the guts

You have a way with words BB. So eloquent.

If we wanted to do the trade now, we have either Pick 25 or 43 to offer. Essendon won't accept 43, so if we REALLY want him, we can only pay what we have in the bank, which is Pick 25.

While it may be considered "overs", there's nothing we can do about it, unless we orchestrated a deal for us to get a late 2nd round pick from somewhere.

It seriously isn't that hard to understand.

If we wanted to do the trade now, we have either Pick 25 or 43 to offer. Essendon won't accept 43, so if we REALLY want him, we can only pay what we have in the bank, which is Pick 25.

While it may be considered "overs", there's nothing we can do about it, unless we orchestrated a deal for us to get a late 2nd round pick from somewhere.

It seriously isn't that hard to understand.

I agree Billy..It is what we have at this moment. We might ( as a club ) have wind of other picks coming our way so this one in isolation may appear exorbitant but when the great wash up comes at the end of the trade period and if you look at it form an overall perspective of..so many picks/players got us other players/picks then it probably wont matter so much.

If we wanted to do the trade now, we have either Pick 25 or 43 to offer. Essendon won't accept 43, so if we REALLY want him, we can only pay what we have in the bank, which is Pick 25.

While it may be considered "overs", there's nothing we can do about it, unless we orchestrated a deal for us to get a late 2nd round pick from somewhere.

It seriously isn't that hard to understand.

Wrong silly billy, we have future picks and players, it seriously isn't that hard to understand.

Edited October 12, 201510 yr by jötnar

You have a way with words BB. So eloquent.

Ah Ernest,, you will always remain my literary goalposts.

Wrong silly billy, we have future picks and players.

Yeah, but our 2nd rounder next year will be approx. Pick 36...

And maybe the players we want to trade out are already linked to different clubs.

Did we say a 2nd rnd pick or our 2nd rnd pick?

Even if the latter, by the time FA comp picks for Leuenberger, Selwood and Academy selections happen pick 25 will be closer to pick 28-30.

That seems ok.

only with respect to bananas, red

and Horses?

Yeah, but our 2nd rounder next year will be approx. Pick 36...

And maybe the players we want to trade out are already linked to different clubs.

So which part don't you understand. There are other alternatives. We could swap their 4th rounder for our 3rd etc. etc. There are many options.

Jeez, our second round pick is overs. The Demons are like the eager to please kid in the school yard. They roll over to please the popular kids (Collingwood, essendon)

Can't recall a good outcome trading with essendon or Collingwood. They always sneak one past us.

They would be loving a second rounder for melksham.

Yeah, we are a bit of a laughing stock when it comes to negotiation at the trade table.

So which part don't you understand. There are other alternatives. We could swap their 4th rounder for our 3rd etc. etc. There are many options.

Ah, so you want to get in to specifics about what steak knives are going to be added. FMD, thanks for wasting my time.

Appropriate avatar.

Pick 25/28 seems like a bargain for an established player to me. Reckon people way, way overestimate the value of draft picks.