Spot on. There is no rush, no other team is going to pay a second rounder for Melksham. Maybe Collingwood want 25 for Kennedy - who I rate a far better prospect than Melksham - so perhaps we are trying to keep 25 for Kennedy, and are trying to free up a second rounder somewhere else.

Perhaps more likely that we're waiting on the 3rd rounder from Essendon to trade for Kennedy. Or Bugg. 25 for Kennedy would be way overs.

If we get a 3rd rounder back for Melksham, it means we've got Melksham PLUS Kennedy for pick 25. Which sheds a totally different light on our trading.

I agree. If we can finish this week with our second and third rounder for Melksham, Kennedy, and Bugg we are on track for a big off season.

Perhaps more likely that we're waiting on the 3rd rounder from Essendon to trade for Kennedy. Or Bugg. 25 for Kennedy would be way overs.

If we get a 3rd rounder back for Melksham, it means we've got Melksham PLUS Kennedy for pick 25. Which sheds a totally different light on our trading

Yeah, I think that makes sense. That would be a great result. Melksham and Kennedy for 25 would be a fantastic result, it offsets the prospect of losing Melksham due to a WADA ban.

I agree. If we can finish this week with our second and third rounder for Melksham, Kennedy, and Bugg we are on track for a big off season.

Especially if we can get a decent pick for Howe as well. Late first or early second round would be pretty right I'd say.

Broomhead.

Done heaps that kid.

Really embarrassed us.

Yeah but didn't they pick Freeman on the pick before so they are basically the same pick and now Freeman is getting traded.

Yeah but didn't they pick Freeman on the pick before so they are basically the same pick and now Freeman is getting traded.

Freeman was pick 10 and he wasn't even in the same draft.

Freeman was pick 10 and he wasn't even in the same draft.

No wait, it was Seedman.

No wait, it was Seedman.

No, it was Kennedy and Grundy.

I agree. If we can finish this week with our second and third rounder for Melksham, Kennedy, and Bugg we are on track for a big off season.

A big off season? They are 3 average players. They may improve our depth but we won't be seeing finals.

Suspect some other trades will eventuate too.

Not necessarily 'big fish', but players that will improve our overall list.

Roos has repeatedly stated that we will be very active this trade period.

Melksham, Bugg and Kennedy will all be very good additions too.

Perhaps more likely that we're waiting on the 3rd rounder from Essendon to trade for Kennedy. Or Bugg. 25 for Kennedy would be way overs.

If we get a 3rd rounder back for Melksham, it means we've got Melksham PLUS Kennedy for pick 25. Which sheds a totally different light on our trading.

Snap,

This is how I see it playing out.

Hence Ess saying is done for pick 25 talking the trade up and why melb are saying a 2nd rounder is around the mark.

No, it was Kennedy and Grundy.

Well in that case we win, we gave them pick 19 which they used on Kennedy, developed him for us to take for a 3rd rounder.

Well in that case we win, we gave them pick 19 which they used on Kennedy, developed him for us to take for a 3rd rounder.

We gave them pick 20

Suspect some other trades will eventuate too.

Not necessarily 'big fish', but players that will improve our overall list.

Roos has repeatedly stated that we will be very active this trade period.

I suspect the three players we have been linked to, if a trade comes through, would suggest we have been very active this trade period. I really doubt there will be anymore.

Melksham, Bugg and Kennedy will all be very good additions too.

At the start of the year, would you have proposed trading in the players above for Howe ,Toumpas and whatever minor picks are involved? Nine months on, Bugg and Kennedy have hardly played in the seniors, and Melksham has been an average player in a poor team. Howe has played every game and Toumpas has looked ordinary.

There's no possible way you can spin things to make out like we're looking to have a successful trade period. I know it's early, but nothing that looks like happening is anything to get excited about.

Its about nuances

At the start of the year, would you have proposed trading in the players above for Howe ,Toumpas and whatever minor picks are involved? Nine months on, Bugg and Kennedy have hardly played in the seniors, and Melksham has been an average player in a poor team. Howe has played every game and Toumpas has looked ordinary.

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I agree

Whilst it appears there is nothing too much to be excited about I think the club is building the list in the right way at least. They are trying to fill holes in the list with players of a certain age profile that they think they can get a certain amount of service out of. Hopefully those players will reduce the holes in our list from the bottom 6 players in the 22 & make us a lot more competitive. I will admit that we could do with a star player being drafted but the reality is there is another 15 or so clubs that won't land any big fish this trade period either. Building our list around Hogan, Petracca, Brayshaw & Viney is a good start. Looks like we will have to be patient & see if the club can land someone like Parish to add to that nucleus of genuine A grade undeveloped talent & build our list around those type of players until we get closer to finals & become a "destination club".

Unfortunately we are not Geelong and Collingwood who will always get the cream of the crop at trade time.

You over rate Geelong and Collingwood's recent trade history. Dangerfield fell in their laps.

Agree. I'd rather the club didn't do anything stupid like a Tom Boyd deal. They're building the list for sustained success.

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Everyone was panicking on Monday cos Adrian DaDodo claimed the deal was basically done and we would give pick 25

More than 2 days later and not a sign of life.... which is a good thing of course

At the start of the year, would you have proposed trading in the players above for Howe ,Toumpas and whatever minor picks are involved? Nine months on, Bugg and Kennedy have hardly played in the seniors, and Melksham has been an average player in a poor team. Howe has played every game and Toumpas has looked ordinary.

There's no possible way you can spin things to make out like we're looking to have a successful trade period. I know it's early, but nothing that looks like happening is anything to get excited about.

What is a success though? Besides landing a gun free agent (and for free not in a match and trade) I think success is hard to judge. Because to win a trade you almost have to have the club on the other end stuff up. Even if you get a superstar to nominate you like Brisbane and Beams it costs a hell of a lot to get them.

We've made some really good moves over the last few years.

But when you break them down almost every deal has cost something to get something which is how it's meant to work.

Our best deals:

Letting Sylvia walk for pick 23

Garlett

Our very good deals:

The Vince trade with the Sylvia pick

Signing Crossy

Letting Frawley walk

The Salem Tyson for 2,20 deal

We can't recreate any of those this year it seems and that might be disappointing, but it's also about opportunity and needs. There isn't a Garlett this year as far as I can tell. We don't have a Sylvia to flick or a Frawley. We don't have the need for Crossy type. Trying such an ambitious move as the Tyson trade isn't really on the table.

I find it hard to think Howe and Toumpas out for Kennedy, Bugg and Melksham makes our list any worse. I'm a touch disappointed we didn't have someone better than Melksham lined up knowing Howe would leave. But then I look around at the trades and I struggle to see who it would be. For the late 1st to 2nd round market (because we aren't signing a star this trade period) there's:

Henderson, Yarran, Zac Smith, Redden (left for success), Jetta, Sinclair (contracted, would avoid us), Bennell (no), Ben Lennon (unlikely). It's not a great bunch.

Aish and Freeman are the 2 young players out of contract, leaving cheaply and possibly available that could fit our list build and have great upside. But I'm not exactly disappointed we didn't get them.

I don't think West Coast made a single trade last year and they jumped right up the ladder. The Dogs traded out Cooney and Griffen for Boyd (who rarely did anything) and jumped up the ladder on the back of their kids improving not trade ins really. Hamling was a nice find as a delisted free agent and that was about it.

I know it's early, but nothing that looks like happening is anything to get excited about.

Trade period is supposed to be exciting?