Yep all Vic GF coming up.

Very confident, OD. Not sure I can see them getting within 10 goals of WCE, unfortunately.

Please......Can we all stop whineing about Hawthorn. They are a great club and use trading and free agency very well to build a winning side.

Buddy went via free agency and they did not miss a beat.

People whined about Brisbane a few years ago, saying they were unbeatable and would win flags for ten years. Didn't happen.

Instead of hating them I admire them, a very good CLUB, both on and off the field.

And good on James Frawley, played a very solid game on one of the best forward in the game and I hope he does really well next week.

If you gotta hate then go ahead I don't think he will give a stuff.

I'm sure this has been mentioned, but think it deserves a re-mention. Another failed attempt by Ross Lyon. His teams always stumble near the final hurdle. He'll never win a flag. I like it.

Yes, I can't stand Lyon, but I do feel a little sorry for Pavlich who deserves to go out on a high.

You've just got to love the Freo supporters... particularly the guy in the number 10 Freo jersey who started abusing anybody and everybody and when approached by a woman who told him he was ruining it for the kids, punches her in the face. Seriously, there is a very good case for banning the sale of alchohol completely from these kinds of events. I hope the guy does jail time considering all of the publicity the violence against women campaign has been receiving lately... there is absolutely no excuse!

An alcoholic cannot be held responsible for their last drink.

But they are ( I am ) responsible for the first

Please......Can we all stop whineing about Hawthorn. They are a great club and use trading and free agency very well to build a winning side.Buddy went via free agency and they did not miss a beat.People whined about Brisbane a few years ago, saying they were unbeatable and would win flags for ten years. Didn't happen.Instead of hating them I admire them, a very good CLUB, both on and off the field.And good on James Frawley, played a very solid game on one of the best forward in the game and I hope he does really well next week.If you gotta hate then go ahead I don't think he will give a stuff.

Spot on Bossdog I agree 100%.

Hawthorn is everything the MFC should be.

Hope JF wins a flag he deserves it after years of crap.

Yes, I can't stand Lyon, but I do feel a little sorry for Pavlich who deserves to go out on a high.

I think he has had as high as he will get hardtack.

It is a pity for Pavlich but the AFL didnt want to have the dockers style go to the main stage.

Umpires managed the game accordingly and the result will benefit the Eagles as the AFL: doesnt want an all Vic final as seriously as they didnt want an All WA final

Will be interesting to see if the umpires are required to manage an Eagles victory.

David King on sen blaming Sylvia for the loss last night.

I can see why King won the best special comments commentator now...

David King on sen blaming Sylvia for the loss last night.

I can see why King won the best special comments commentator now...

How did he figure?

Did Col organise a round of drinks cards the night before?

It is a pity for Pavlich but the AFL didnt want to have the dockers style go to the main stage.

Umpires managed the game accordingly and the result will benefit the Eagles as the AFL: doesnt want an all Vic final as seriously as they didnt want an All WA final

Will be interesting to see if the umpires are required to manage an Eagles victory.

Wow...Great conspiracy. I didn't realise the AFL controlled all results via umpiring.

Umpires make mistakes as do the players. Always will because they are human. Get over it.

Hawthorn may have won anyway, but those two goals from momentum-killing umpires' errors in the first quarter do raise a question. Now I expect a Hawthorn-Eagles GF, and I hope the Eagles win - not that I love the Eagles more, but I hate them less. Not interested enough to watch.

Watch the eagles get all the rubbish frees tonite

Spot on Bossdog I agree 100%.

Hawthorn is everything the MFC should be.

Hope JF wins a flag he deserves it after years of crap.

Deserves it?

Nobody 'deserves' a flag. You should earn it.

He's cantered through the season doing very little of note, more poor games than good, playing for a club where his position is at its easiest, feeding off a culture, list and gameplan which have been cultivated, developed and proven over a number of years without him having any impact whatsoever.

Spending years losing at Melbourne (and not putting 100% effort in at all times whilst doing it) does not mean you have earned or deserve a flag.

You've just got to love the Freo supporters... particularly the guy in the number 10 Freo jersey who started abusing anybody and everybody and when approached by a woman who told him he was ruining it for the kids, punches her in the face. Seriously, there is a very good case for banning the sale of alchohol completely from these kinds of events. I hope the guy does jail time considering all of the publicity the violence against women campaign has been receiving lately... there is absolutely no excuse!

I think there is an even better case for tracking people who abuse alcohol and take away their right to drink it. Why should thousands of responsible people be prohibited on account of a few who have no self-control?

The AFL need to stop drinking their own bathwater and admit that expansion has had a tumultuous and long-term effect on the viability of this, now, 18 team competition.

The dilution of young talent to only two clubs has upset the natural order of the draft and thus prolonged the ability for teams like Hawthorn to maintain their position at the top. If you distributed the lists of GWS and GC to the bottom 8 clubs, the competition would be radically different today.

Well at least with Freo out, the brownlow winner will at least be in the room monday night. Im assuming Fyfe will make the trip.

Please......Can we all stop whineing about Hawthorn. They are a great club and use trading and free agency very well to build a winning side.Buddy went via free agency and they did not miss a beat.People whined about Brisbane a few years ago, saying they were unbeatable and would win flags for ten years. Didn't happen.Instead of hating them I admire them, a very good CLUB, both on and off the field.And good on James Frawley, played a very solid game on one of the best forward in the game and I hope he does really well next week.If you gotta hate then go ahead I don't think he will give a stuff.

Yes except they didn't build this dual premiership side on the back of trades or FA. That has helped but their repeated success is built on great drafting in 2001 through to 2007 where they worked the priority system well and with the help of Freo giving the first pick in 2001. Hodge, Mitchell, Roughy, Franklin, Lewis, Stratten, Rioli form the nucleus of what makes the side great. The trades have played support roles, Burgoyne excepted.

Over it. [censored] Hawthorn.

Over it. [censored] Hawthorn.

Still haven't been able to convert the girlfriend. We've been together almost nine years. Never beaten her mob once. The closest we got was a 12 point loss in 2010(?). Cannot wait until they fall from their perch. Give some others a shot.

I wonder if Hawthorn's decline will coincide with Clarkson's eventual departure, much like Alex Fergurson's retirement at the scum, I mean United. I hope so.

So will tonight's winning margin by the Eagles be 2 or 3 figures?

I'm going with 3.

Deserves it?

Nobody 'deserves' a flag. You should earn it.

He's cantered through the season doing very little of note, more poor games than good, playing for a club where his position is at its easiest, feeding off a culture, list and gameplan which have been cultivated, developed and proven over a number of years without him having any impact whatsoever.

Spending years losing at Melbourne (and not putting 100% effort in at all times whilst doing it) does not mean you have earned or deserve a flag.

He put in the vast majority of the time he was at the MFC pity we did not have another dozen as good.

You can hate all you like I wish him well. I hope he gets the NSM next week.

I have revised my thinking re tonight.

If wce win then because they finished higher than the hawks the hawks will have to wear THAT power rangers top in the grannie.

This makes me far far too happy. I think i need a beer

Well at least with Freo out, the brownlow winner will at least be in the room monday night. Im assuming Fyfe will make the trip.

Im tipping Kennedy.

Goldy giving the WCE rucks a bath so far. 8 mins in and had 10 hit outs and a number of important marks.