The Incredible Hulk - Jesse Hogan

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4 hours ago, brendan said:

This is a strange feeling, I actually don't care if he stays or goes, if he stays great but if he goes we would be well compensated, I guess when we are traveling ok we can feel that way 

Go and smack yourself around the head a few times...please,.

We can't feel that way ever. And BTW we have won 2 in a row. We aren't travelling that well yet..

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10 minutes ago, Ted Fidge said:

One thing that has helped us is the new low-interchange fast flowing style of play. The rolling maul, seagulls fighting over a chip style played for the last few years ... we just weren't very good at it. Whereas Freo were experts at it.

That rugby maul style was near unwatchable. God, it was the opposite of entertainment. Even leaving out that we weren't winning.

Now it's consigned to the dustbin of history and our players are loving it.

i hope you're right ted, but i wouldn't be surprised if some coach comes up with a new congested defensive game plan to either overcome their deficiencies or to create a point of differentiation.

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Apparently Freo have signed Nat Fyffe's younger brother, Owen Fyffe.......................0 and 5

 

I'll go now,.

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if he is thinking about going back, the go home factor is the only thing that would be driving him now. Fremantle are cooked, yes we still have a way to go before we can show we are a legitimately decent side on the up, but Freo just lost to Carlton over there FFS. Their youth is questionable and their gameplan is horribly outdated. Melbourne will be prepared to match any offer Freo put on the table, the club knows how important Jesse is.

 

We have a lot of guys out of contract this year (Jetta TMac Garlett Tyson Watts), we'll be working hard behind the scenes to secure those guys then at the end of the year we'll throw everything at Jesse. The only negative I think is if he hasn't signed by round 1 2017 he is probably a 80% chance to leave.

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5 hours ago, Demon Jack said:

 

Mayne and Neale are also speculated to move clubs at seasons end as well. Serious rebuild coming up for Freo. All and all, there's seriously been some terrible list management by Ross Lyon considering there is a real lack of young talent coming through. 

And does Ross Lyon have a B plan in terms of game plan? He's never seemed to really change his system too much. Reckon they're in a lot of trouble.

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I just can't see Hogan playing the next 5 years in a dismal Freo rebuild just to go home and make a bit of extra money.

They are factors, but surely will be overriden in the end by the fact that Freo are in deep, deep [censored].

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7 hours ago, Ted Fidge said:

One thing that has helped us is the new low-interchange fast flowing style of play. The rolling maul, seagulls fighting over a chip style played for the last few years ... we just weren't very good at it. Whereas Freo were experts at it.

That rugby maul style was near unwatchable. God, it was the opposite of entertainment. Even leaving out that we weren't winning.

Now it's consigned to the dustbin of history and our players are loving it.

Nice post.

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5 hours ago, Undeeterred said:

I just can't see Hogan playing the next 5 years in a dismal Freo rebuild just to go home and make a bit of extra money.

They are factors, but surely will be overriden in the end by the fact that Freo are in deep, deep [censored].

I can. A lot of extra money. In Perth which he loves. For Ross Lyon, the Roos clone.

I'm not saying we don't have more reason to stay at MFC. But there's certainly a pull there. Freo aren't in a complete rebuild like Carlton. They'll be back into relevance quicker than people think.

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13 minutes ago, Dappa Dan said:

I can. A lot of extra money. In Perth which he loves. For Ross Lyon, the Roos clone.

I'm not saying we don't have more reason to stay at MFC. But there's certainly a pull there. Freo aren't in a complete rebuild like Carlton. They'll be back into relevance quicker than people think.

Depends if Lyon has another game plan. His only game plan is irrelevant now. I think they might be in for a full rebuild.

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34 minutes ago, AdamFarr said:

Depends if Lyon has another game plan. His only game plan is irrelevant now. I think they might be in for a full rebuild.

Could be. Could be. Again... can he adapt...

I actually prescribe to the theory that they've been up for too long. I remember about 3 years ago mates from clubs not involved texting me about the prelim they played 3 years ago being the hardest game they ever saw. And in the following couple of years they haven't let up. If I say "maybe they're tired?" will I get smashed by 'land posters?

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11 minutes ago, Dappa Dan said:

Could be. Could be. Again... can he adapt...

I actually prescribe to the theory that they've been up for too long. I remember about 3 years ago mates from clubs not involved texting me about the prelim they played 3 years ago being the hardest game they ever saw. And in the following couple of years they haven't let up. If I say "maybe they're tired?" will I get smashed by 'land posters?

I think it's more a case of not winning a flag with the guys they've built a side around. Okay, Fyfe will probably come back and still be a star, but Pavlich, Sandilands etc. They had to win a flag when these guys were around, because there's just not that next batch of talent coming through.

It doesn't really matter if they're tired or not. They've missed their chance with the majority of this list.

Where does Lyon go next? I think he has to reinvent himself and build from the ground up, a new list. I'm not sure he's capable. It'll be interesting to see. One thing that seems almost certain is they're in for some pain.

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3 hours ago, Dappa Dan said:

I can. A lot of extra money. In Perth which he loves. For Ross Lyon, the Roos clone.

I'm not saying we don't have more reason to stay at MFC. But there's certainly a pull there. Freo aren't in a complete rebuild like Carlton. They'll be back into relevance quicker than people think.

A lot extra money is speculation at this point.

He might love Perth but that will be overriden by playing for a good team.

And it's Goodwin's plan that he loves, not Roos'.

Freo are stuffed. You say they're not like Carlton, maybe they're even worse. Carlton have at least admitted they need to reset and are starting to come out the other side. Freo aren't even close to bottoming out yet, let alone rebuilding.

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I love that Freo are only rebuilding now that they're 0-5

Ross Lyon must've been done with excuses after the first 4 losses so to get off the hook now they're just suddenly rebuilding

They're not rebuilding, they're just crap

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2 hours ago, Undeeterred said:

A lot extra money is speculation at this point.

He might love Perth but that will be overriden by playing for a good team.

And it's Goodwin's plan that he loves, not Roos'.

Freo are stuffed. You say they're not like Carlton, maybe they're even worse. Carlton have at least admitted they need to reset and are starting to come out the other side. Freo aren't even close to bottoming out yet, let alone rebuilding.

- It's all speculation at this point.

- I can't stand this idea of "playing for a good team." Players have left for money over and over again. We have a couple of them ourselves. When Bernie came we were a debacle. So no, playing for a good team makes no difference as often as it does.

- That's speculation at this point. Roos is still the coach. And he played better last year when we were total team defence.

- Fyfe, Neale, Bennell, Sheridan, Taberner, Hill. All good. All young. They're better than Carlton. And Lyon's a sensational coach.

You may wish to disagree, it doesn't make a difference, but that post would have been repeated over and over again with every big signing, from Judd via Ablett to Scully. If you want to stick your head in the sand, then that's fine. But he's not signed until he's signed. We went through the Scully "I promise to stay" thing. We know how this works.

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What's it gonna be Jesse? Yes or no?

 

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23 minutes ago, Dappa Dan said:

- It's all speculation at this point.

- I can't stand this idea of "playing for a good team." Players have left for money over and over again. We have a couple of them ourselves. When Bernie came we were a debacle. So no, playing for a good team makes no difference as often as it does.

- That's speculation at this point. Roos is still the coach. And he played better last year when we were total team defence.

- Fyfe, Neale, Bennell, Sheridan, Taberner, Hill. All good. All young. They're better than Carlton. And Lyon's a sensational coach.

You may wish to disagree, it doesn't make a difference, but that post would have been repeated over and over again with every big signing, from Judd via Ablett to Scully. If you want to stick your head in the sand, then that's fine. But he's not signed until he's signed. We went through the Scully "I promise to stay" thing. We know how this works.

Yep, all fair. Not sticking my head in the sand, but I still reckon he'll stay.

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3 minutes ago, Undeeterred said:

Yep, all fair. Not sticking my head in the sand, but I still reckon he'll stay.

Mate I hope you're right.

I can't believe how little credit he's getting for Jack's revival. Not that Jack's a downhill skier, but he's benefitting massively from Jesse's double and triple teaming. So is Max.

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2 hours ago, Je Roos Salem said:

I love that Freo are only rebuilding now that they're 0-5

Ross Lyon must've been done with excuses after the first 4 losses so to get off the hook now they're just suddenly rebuilding

They're not rebuilding, they're just crap

Freo are in a similar boat to where we were early in 2007. Went into the season thinking that at worst we were in the finals mix and then it all went horribly wrong after 1/4 time Round 1.

Freo are in a little better position in that they still have some good young players like Fyfe, Neale & Bennell (although he could be a cancer). But like us in 2007, they wont be able to fully start their rebuild until the end of the year. 

Makes for a long season!

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2 hours ago, jumbo returns said:

What's it gonna be Jesse? Yes or no?

 

Why are you asking big fella ?

You've already made up your mind.

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On 4/28/2016 at 6:29 AM, Dappa Dan said:

- It's all speculation at this point.

- I can't stand this idea of "playing for a good team." Players have left for money over and over again. We have a couple of them ourselves. When Bernie came we were a debacle. So no, playing for a good team makes no difference as often as it does.

- That's speculation at this point. Roos is still the coach. And he played better last year when we were total team defence.

- Fyfe, Neale, Bennell, Sheridan, Taberner, Hill. All good. All young. They're better than Carlton. And Lyon's a sensational coach.

You may wish to disagree, it doesn't make a difference, but that post would have been repeated over and over again with every big signing, from Judd via Ablett to Scully. If you want to stick your head in the sand, then that's fine. But he's not signed until he's signed. We went through the Scully "I promise to stay" thing. We know how this works.

Fyfe has a serious injury so who knows where he's at, Neale is seriously considering outside offers, Hill is a good player but Sheridan and Taberner are no better than okay and will be exposed when the better players aren't around them.

If Lyon doesn't change his plan in a pretty big way they're going to be well off the pace come 2017

If us improving is so big a factor for Jesse's decision, why would he then leave when we do improve and Freo are a huge chance for the wooden spoon?

 

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I did hear a whisper the involvement of the current coach going forward is having a bearing on drawing out the talks to seasons end. In fact i think there is quite a few players looking forward to the coach in waiting taking over. I reckon he will sign at the end of the year, once its clearer what the coaching structure is.  

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1 minute ago, deelighted3 said:

I did hear a whisper the involvement of the current coach going forward is having a bearing on drawing out the talks to seasons end. In fact i think there is quite a few players looking forward to the coach in waiting taking over. I reckon he will sign at the end of the year, once its clearer what the coaching structure is.  

This whisper makes no sense to me. There is zero ambiguity on our coaching structure going forward. Roos is going - contract will expire  - Goodwin will coach  - a contract in place. I would be gobsmacked if there was any significant movement in the coaching structure at all.

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On 9 February 2016 at 9:09 AM, beelzebub said:

 

Not sure why everyone is so critical of Freo / Ross Lyon. If Sylvia just has a good pre-season they will be alright.

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4 hours ago, AngryAtCasey said:

Freo are in a similar boat to where we were early in 2007. Went into the season thinking that at worst we were in the finals mix and then it all went horribly wrong after 1/4 time Round 1.

Freo are in a little better position in that they still have some good young players like Fyfe, Neale & Bennell (although he could be a cancer). But like us in 2007, they wont be able to fully start their rebuild until the end of the year. 

Makes for a long season!

And by the end of this season there could be an exodus at Freo. I've never been worried about Freo. It's another Melbourne club that I've always thought is more likely to woo Jesse. But if we keep up-trending, we can still offer him more than pretty much anyone else and hopefully the promise of sustained success. I think ultimately he'll re-sign with us.

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7 hours ago, Je Roos Salem said:

I love that Freo are only rebuilding now that they're 0-5

Ross Lyon must've been done with excuses after the first 4 losses so to get off the hook now they're just suddenly rebuilding

They're not rebuilding, they're just crap

They're not rebuilding, they're " in transition "

We didn't tank, We "brought the game into disrepute "

It's  all semantics.