The Incredible Hulk - Jesse Hogan

[DistrACTION Jackson 6,471]

The Jesse Hogan contract media attention is such a massive beat up!

The 2016 season hasn't started yet and he is contracted for the 2017 season.

Calm down people there is a lot more important things in life to worry about....

[DeeMfc 621]

Regardless of contract machinations lets just enjoy THIS year at the very least. Cheer loud and hard whenever he kicks a goal or takes an awesome pack mark. Let him enjoy playing for the mighty Dees. 

When I read posters saying they won't be able to enjoy it even if he is tearing the opposition a new one it seriously makes me cringe. I would understand if he were out of contract this year but he isn't. 

As has been pointed out relentlessly on this thread, there are a multitude of reasons why Jesse shouldn't sign until October at the very least. Marquee players especially. 

Any young marquee players who have signed since the end of last season are either stupid, had a brown paper back passed under the table or their manager isn't doing his due diligence. 

So for this year at least just relax and enjoy the Jesse show :-)

[Dr. Gonzo 22,522]

14 hours ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

So perhaps the delay was mutual, as reported. 

You're living in lala land. So the club, who has been trying to extend his contract for the last 6-9 months and who were eager to open negotiations for an extension at the end of last season, has all of a sudden decided that we're ok with postponing negotiations with this generational player for another season when every man and his dog will be in his/his managers ear with an offer to leave including at least one club from his home state. Why the hell would they do that? They've been pretty clear this is the guy we'll be building our team around for the next 10 years so if we could lock him in you don't think we'd do so?

I'm not saying he's going to leave but to think the club wouldn't have preferred to keep negotiations open and get something locked in sooner rather than later is delusional. 

Also if the club has only offered 3/5 year deals they are idiots. Give this guy the keys to the castle, offer him 10 years and we'll rise or fall with him. Lynch was given 10 years from the Bears and that worked out pretty well despite the initial setbacks.

[Dr. Gonzo 22,522]

50 minutes ago, Is Dom Is Good said:

The Jesse Hogan contract media attention is such a massive beat up!

The 2016 season hasn't started yet and he is contracted for the 2017 season.

Calm down people there is a lot more important things in life to worry about....

It's not a media beat up when the club has made it clear we want to lock him in on an extension and there is opportunities that will open up for him in WA. The club advertised that we were opening negotiations on an extension now he has delayed talks of course the media will pick it up. He is going to be one of the best players of his generation, this is a story.

[btdemon 475]

On 26 February 2016 at 8:53 AM, Satyriconhome said:

 

I, for one, am not going to spend the rest of the season speculating about something that I have absolutely no control of. I heard a Dees supporter on the radio last night expressing his concern hat Hogan and McDonald might go. Until the Dees are a strong club then every player we have that is any good will prompt that speculation. In the minds of many, they can't see why would a decent player want to stay at a club that has little chance of playing finals. The club is getting stronger and hopefully we might even play finals either this year or next. Maybe it won't be long before good players from other clubs are seeking a transfer to the Dees? Until then, I'm going to try my best to enjoy the work of Hogan and McDonald (and Petracca and Salem and Brayshaw and Oliver and Viney and Kent) and all of the players who look like being really good. Try and enjoy.

Edited March 3, 2016 by btdemon

[Curry & Beer 5,444]

24 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

It's not a media beat up when the club has made it clear we want to lock him in on an extension and there is opportunities that will open up for him in WA. The club advertised that we were opening negotiations on an extension now he has delayed talks of course the media will pick it up. He is going to be one of the best players of his generation, this is a story.

In a way our club is at stake. It could be the end of us if he leaves and I'm being serious. Our supporter base is in big strife and there are plenty who would take a hit like this as the final straw. We NEED him to stay and be a marquee player and drag us up the ladder or it's very dangerous waters. Dramatic I know but I truly believe it.

[DistrACTION Jackson 6,471]

55 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

It's not a media beat up when the club has made it clear we want to lock him in on an extension and there is opportunities that will open up for him in WA. The club advertised that we were opening negotiations on an extension now he has delayed talks of course the media will pick it up. He is going to be one of the best players of his generation, this is a story.

He still has TWO years left! It is a total beat up and yes of course they know it will sell some papers because he is going to be one of the best players in the competition.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say I am not worried at all and believe he will re-sign some time during pre-season for the 2017 season.

[nutbean 8,837]

Save Ferris

[Ted Lasso 16,874]

Jesse could win the coleman this year, our midfield looks much deeper, big max is looking at a podium finish in terms of the comps ruckman and the entries should be much better, and i don't believe there is a defender in the comp who could consistently beat Jesse one on one already.

[monoccular 16,197]

On 25 February 2016 at 4:56 AM, AzzKikA said:

I do not believe this is a club, more like a mental asylum.

 

Does that make us all asylum seekers?

[iv'a worn smith 1,979]

56 minutes ago, Is Dom Is Good said:

He still has TWO years left! It is a total beat up and yes of course they know it will sell some papers because he is going to be one of the best players in the competition.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say I am not worried at all and believe he will re-sign some time during pre-season for the 2017 season.

Absolutely agree.  He is still 20, with his entire AFL career in front of him. He is only in his 2nd year and with 2 seasons left on his contract, a lot can happen between now and then. We keep forgetting that for AFL players, their football careers are their entire livelihood, so it would be against his own interests to put pen to paper right now.  He has a perfect right to weigh up his future.

That said, I am confident that the major drivers in whatever decision he does make, will not be money or the 'go home' factor.  He simply wants to see our footy club is clearly heading in the right direction and that he can see a future where he will play a pivotal role in a red hot finals campaign in the not too distant future.  And that is his right.

Kick ass in 2016 Jesse.

Edited March 3, 2016 by iv'a worn smith

[Gator 16,893]

Even Ross Lyon just admitted on SEN that the "tyranny of distance" is a major reason they can't attract talent back to WA.

Who wants to put up with two x four hour flights across the Nullabor every second weekend ?  Especially when your 195cm with back issues and have already missed a year of your career.  And especially when past West Coast players are on record saying that the travel shortened some careers.  Hogan's manager has already stated that he wants to live in Melbourne.

He may leave the Dees at some stage, but it won't be to WA.

Edited March 3, 2016 by ProDee

[markc 975]

On 25 February 2016 at 10:23 AM, Peter Griffen said:

The situation isn't anything like Howe last year, Jesse has been in talks for a while now and to the point numbers and years are a part of it, he's been shown a vision of the future, 

i am firmly of the belief, Jesse has an offer on the table and he and his manager simply want to see improvement before he signs away the next 5-7 years of his career, which is absolutely fair enough

just watch him train and you'll see he's totally invested in the club, he wants to be part of it.

Putting talks on hold is simply to quiet the speculation of Jesse signing in the very near future so he can make a calm and calculated decision in his own time, but i have no doubt he will sign on.

 

100% agree with this 

Edited March 4, 2016 by markc

[juzzk1d 1,354]

A lot of players are signing extensions early despite waiting out the year. Zorko just locked away for a long term deal announced today also...hmm..

[Lucifers Hero 37,174]

2 minutes ago, juzzk1d said:

Zorko just locked away for a long term deal announced today also...hmm..

That is a good point.  Many many other club players are also signing.  While I am not worried about McDonald or Hogan waiting for the CBA I find it disconcerting that we seem to the only club whose players see it as an issue. 

It is also disconcerting that our captain and our current B&F holder have come out and stated they believe our players should wait...effectively encouraging teammates to not sign.  No other club's leaders (or players for that matter) are saying anything like this. 

I would prefer our leaders didn't publicly encourage contract deferral.  It would be terrible if all our OOC players wait for the CBA before signing while other clubs are shoring up their playing lists.

[Gator 16,893]

4 hours ago, juzzk1d said:

A lot of players are signing extensions early despite waiting out the year. Zorko just locked away for a long term deal announced today also...hmm..

Are you really using the Lions as the poster club for retaining talent ?  Yeo, Docherty, Aish, Redden, Polec ring a bell ?

Also, you're aware Zorko was coming out of contract at the end of 2016 and Hogan is coming out end of 2017 ?

And you're familiar with an article in the HS last year stating "Dayne Zorko in no rush to extend his contract past 2016 as rumours of unrest persist" ?

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/brisbane/dayne-zorko-in-no-rush-to-extend-his-contract-past-2016-as-rumours-of-unrest-persist/news-story/c1e233904c88607224ff87cc8003611a

How about we let things unfold...

Edited March 4, 2016 by ProDee

[Curry & Beer 5,444]

2 hours ago, markc said:

100% agree with this 

as do I, and I think in a roundabout way the club has clued us in to this with the recent comments by Vince.

Edited March 4, 2016 by Curry & Beer

[Dr. Gonzo 22,522]

4 hours ago, Curry & Beer said:

In a way our club is at stake. It could be the end of us if he leaves and I'm being serious. Our supporter base is in big strife and there are plenty who would take a hit like this as the final straw. We NEED him to stay and be a marquee player and drag us up the ladder or it's very dangerous waters. Dramatic I know but I truly believe it.

IF he leaves (and I'm not saying I think he will) and we continue to become a successful side it will hurt but the supporters will get over it. If he leaves and we continue to struggle on field it will be devastating for the MFC.

[daisycutter 28,609]

5 hours ago, Curry & Beer said:

In a way our club is at stake. It could be the end of us if he leaves and I'm being serious. Our supporter base is in big strife and there are plenty who would take a hit like this as the final straw. We NEED him to stay and be a marquee player and drag us up the ladder or it's very dangerous waters. Dramatic I know but I truly believe it.

that's exactly what my grandson says when he's trying to put one over pop, so you can understand my reticence towards your pov 

[McQueen 17,864]

Listened to the broadcast of the NAB game over here last night on Grandstand.

The commentators were quite effusive with how the Dockers will sign both McCarthy and Hogan. To quote one commentator who said, "the fact that Jesse Hogan has put off contract talks just screams to me that he's coming home."

Clearly they're a parochial mob over here and logic is rarely included into these types of conversations.

They did continue to say that Freo will most likely slide after this season but then make another run for a flag in 4 to 5 years time - "just when Hogan and McCarthy will be in their prime," they said.

 

[Ted Lasso 16,874]

20 minutes ago, McQueen said:

Listened to the broadcast of the NAB game over here last night on Grandstand.

The commentators were quite effusive with how the Dockers will sign both McCarthy and Hogan. To quote one commentator who said, "the fact that Jesse Hogan has put off contract talks just screams to me that he's coming home."

Clearly they're a parochial mob over here and logic is rarely included into these types of conversations.

They did continue to say that Freo will most likely slide after this season but then make another run for a flag in 4 to 5 years time - "just when Hogan and McCarthy will be in their prime," they said.

 

Lol.. Hawthorn and Collingwood are bigger threats to us keeping Hogan, he won't go back to Perth imo

[Pates 9,537]

We wanted to lock him in long term early but ultimately it's up to him if he wants to upgrade early. I'm not concerned right now as it isn't until the end of next year that he comes out of contract. If he holds off until the end of 2017 then I will have a very nervous wait for that year!

But let's just focus on making 2016 a good year and make him WANT to be a part of the new Melbourne.

[Dr. Gonzo 22,522]

8 hours ago, Is Dom Is Good said:

He still has TWO years left! It is a total beat up and yes of course they know it will sell some papers because he is going to be one of the best players in the competition.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say I am not worried at all and believe he will re-sign some time during pre-season for the 2017 season 

It's not a media beat-up when negotiations have stalled. Regardless how long was left on the contract, negotiations for an extension started and then were put on hold. That's a story especially with the best promising key forward in the comp.

[Ted Lasso 16,874]

19 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

It's not a media beat-up when negotiations have stalled. Regardless how long was left on the contract, negotiations for an extension started and then were put on hold. That's a story especially with the best promising key forward in the comp.

Unfortunately facts aren't things reporters rely on, even a quarter of a story is enough for them.

[daisycutter 28,609]

52 minutes ago, Peter Griffen said:

Unfortunately facts aren't things reporters rely on, even a quarter of a story is enough for them.

i live for the day that the media get a quarter of the story correct