The Incredible Hulk - Jesse Hogan

[McQueen 17,867]

[censored] the contract talk, surely this must be a big chance for his first major bag.

I'm thinking 7 goals.

[Demon Jack 7,155]

I hold fears that Jesse will leave as Fremantle will likely offer him the whole dock. However, Jesse seems to have made some great relationships with the players and staff and seems to be over the homesickness he experienced when he suffered his back injury. If we keep performing well throughout this year and next, it will provide Jesse with further incentive to stick with us for the long haul. 

Regardless of what happens, let's just enjoy the ride and what comes with it.

[What 18,810]

25 minutes ago, Curry & Beer said:

means nothing

 

Perhaps not, but the fact is that there is not one reason to suggest he wont be stayng at Melbourne past his current contract

And until I see a reason to believe he may be gone I will let everyone else do the panicking while I relax and enjoy Hogan playing great footy and the Dees finally winning

[dazzledavey36 55,990]

29 minutes ago, Petraccattack said:

 

Perhaps not, but the fact is that there is not one reason to suggest he wont be stayng at Melbourne past his current contract

And until I see a reason to believe he may be gone I will let everyone else do the panicking while I relax and enjoy Hogan playing great footy and the Dees finally winning

Not any real reason to suggest his staying either

[Fitz Fitzpatrick 886]

2 hours ago, Demon Jack said:

I hold fears that Jesse will leave as Fremantle will likely offer him the whole dock. However, Jesse seems to have made some great relationships with the players and staff and seems to be over the homesickness he experienced when he suffered his back injury. If we keep performing well throughout this year and next, it will provide Jesse with further incentive to stick with us for the long haul. 

Regardless of what happens, let's just enjoy the ride and what comes with it.

thats what im doing. ill enjoy every game he plays in the red and blue. we will be well compensated and although nothing replaces a gun key forward the list will still be in great shape. 

[nutbean 8,838]

Again whilst I am in no way shape or form comparing him with Scully but I cannot help but laugh at posters reading Hogan's body language and nuances and suggesting they are indicators. The exact same thing transpired with Voldemort  - constant looking at how he acted and reacted. There is no doubt that Scully's demeanor was odd at his time at Melbourne - well so i thought until I heard on SEN talking about the GWS boys after the game in the hotel and they said the banter between all the players was really good except for one T Scully - he stood around by himself like a cardboard cutout

 

So like Nasher, I am going to enjoy watching Hogan play like lots of others in our team and work on the assumption that Hogan will remain a Demon right up until the time he is not  - be it 2 years, 5 years or when he retires.. 

Edited March 30, 2016 by nutbean

[Roger Mellie 4,179]

If Langdon was right we would let Hogan out of his contract a year early to go back to Freo.

Yeah right!

[Mazer Rackham 14,971]

8 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Not any real reason to suggest his staying either

How about: we have an exciting list finally coming together and believing in each other and ready to charge up the ladder, and he's an integral part of that.

Versus going to Freo just in time for their plummet down the ladder, the vampire Lyon having sucked all the football life out of their decrepit list.

[Undeeterred 3,127]

Are we really going to go round and round and round this for two whole years?

Just enjoy watching him play footy for a while!

[Dr. Gonzo 24,459]

I'm in the same boat as most others I think - I'll enjoy watching Hogan (the first legit superstar I've seen at the club since I've been following) as a Demon until he's not because the alternative is just too sickening/depressing to contemplate.

[Goodvibes 3,596]

6 hours ago, Munga said:

thats what im doing. ill enjoy every game he plays in the red and blue. we will be well compensated and although nothing replaces a gun key forward the list will still be in great shape. 

You know that feeling we all had on Saturday when Watts was dominating, spinning out of trouble, taking on all-comers, handballing intuitively and Vandenberg, the happy recipient dribbled his snapped through courtesy of a strong Jesse Hogan shepherd? Remember the jubilant outpouring of emotion that followed that goal, both on and off the field? Did you enjoy the surge of adrenalin that goal created? Well, your posts regarding the imminent departure of the most important player to walk into our club in the last two decades is basically the antithesis of that very feeling. Why are you seemingly taking pleasure in sucking any positivity out of a supporter base that has endured more than they deserve. And you're doing it based on his tone in an interview. Seriously.

[Dr. Gonzo 24,459]

10 minutes ago, Undeeterred said:

Are we really going to go round and round and round this for two whole years?

Just enjoy watching him play footy for a while!

I agree and I'd love to but it's the 10 tonne elephant in the room. It will keep popping up whether we like it or not.

[sue 9,233]

Any chance we could have a separate thread on 'will he/won't he  stay' and one on anything else relevant to Hogan? Just for my sanity.

[Undeeterred 3,127]

1 hour ago, sue said:

Any chance we could have a separate thread on 'will he/won't he  stay' and one on anything else relevant to Hogan? Just for my sanity.

Yes please. It's so boring trawling through this thread to look for something that is actually relevant.

[Undeeterred 3,127]

1 hour ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

I agree and I'd love to but it's the 10 tonne elephant in the room. It will keep popping up whether we like it or not.

Yes, but it doesn't have to. There's no other player in the league contracted until the end of next year whose contract status anybody is even remotely discussing.

I know he is important etc etc, but it's just a waste of energy!

Anyway, rant over!

[Pates 9,687]

11 hours ago, Demon Jack said:

I hold fears that Jesse will leave as Fremantle will likely offer him the whole dock. However, Jesse seems to have made some great relationships with the players and staff and seems to be over the homesickness he experienced when he suffered his back injury. If we keep performing well throughout this year and next, it will provide Jesse with further incentive to stick with us for the long haul. 

Regardless of what happens, let's just enjoy the ride and what comes with it.

We keep winning, that is step 1 to retaining Jesse. He sees good things happening here I think he'll want to stay. 

[Little Goffy 14,793]

People worry too much and get too morose about these things.

Hogan and Watts are at the very least in a wonderful bromance, and putting contract talks off might just mean they are waiting for the plebiscite to go through.

"Gathered here today in the sight of light tower 4, we commit ourselves to a profoundly extended contract"

"You may now contest the mark"

[Wiseblood 24,637]

I saw Jesse out and about today.  He bought a latte instead of a cappuccino.

Just another clear sign he's gone.

[nutbean 8,838]

8 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

I saw Jesse out and about today.  He bought a latte instead of a cappuccino.

Just another clear sign he's gone.

start to worry when he orders a soy chai latte..

[Demon_JB 1,389]

12 hours ago, Demon Jack said:

I hold fears that Jesse will leave as Fremantle will likely offer him the whole dock. However, Jesse seems to have made some great relationships with the players and staff and seems to be over the homesickness he experienced when he suffered his back injury. If we keep performing well throughout this year and next, it will provide Jesse with further incentive to stick with us for the long haul. 

Regardless of what happens, let's just enjoy the ride and what comes with it.

Don't forget that Fremantle have a mountain of players to attract/retain. Fyfe is coming out of contract and set to become a RFA at years end, Cam McCarthy is pretty much a lock to go there also and they have offered Hooker a monster deal.

The more wins we have on the board, the more unrealistic it will be for Freo to lure him - so they will put majority of their eggs in the Fyfe, McCarthy & Hooker basket.

 

[binman 44,690]

For reasons i've outlined before i can't see Hogan wanting to return to WA (mainly related to the burden of travel, but as private fella i can't see him enjoying the fish bowl in a two team provincial town) but for the sake of argument lets say he is considering a move back home.

As a competitive beast Hogan, like most players, priority will be playing in and winning finals. If he honors his contrast with the dees then any move would be for the 2018 season. I reckon Freos premiership window will be closed by then and more than likely they will be back in the rebuild phase. I can't see him wanting to be part of a rebuild again, particularity if the club he has been laying at is reaping the reward of its rebuild (on the current trajectory we should be a top 4 side in 2018 - i hope!).

WC might still be a realistic chance of a flag then but would need to keep building and not go backwards. They do have Kennedy but of course would take Hogan if available. 

So i can't see him at Freo, leaving only one WA club for him to do a deal with.

But as i say i can't see him returning to WA and we will be in a position to match almost any offer. 

[jnrmac 20,305]

On 3/3/2016 at 8:34 AM, Dr. Gonzo said:

You're living in lala land. So the club, who has been trying to extend his contract for the last 6-9 months and who were eager to open negotiations for an extension at the end of last season, has all of a sudden decided that we're ok with postponing negotiations with this generational player for another season when every man and his dog will be in his/his managers ear with an offer to leave including at least one club from his home state. Why the hell would they do that? They've been pretty clear this is the guy we'll be building our team around for the next 10 years so if we could lock him in you don't think we'd do so?

I'm not saying he's going to leave but to think the club wouldn't have preferred to keep negotiations open and get something locked in sooner rather than later is delusional. 

Also if the club has only offered 3/5 year deals they are idiots. Give this guy the keys to the castle, offer him 10 years and we'll rise or fall with him. Lynch was given 10 years from the Bears and that worked out pretty well despite the initial setbacks.

Settle petal. You do understand the CBA hasn't been finalised don't you?

No manager would ever recommend negotiating a contract without knowing what was in the collective pot.

[Wiseblood 24,637]

10 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

Settle petal. You do understand the CBA hasn't been finalised don't you?

No manager would ever recommend negotiating a contract without knowing what was in the collective pot.

The problem with that argument is that there have been several players who have signed long term deals with their clubs, and players who would draw considerable interest on the open market as well.  Are you suggesting each manager told them not to do it?

[nutbean 8,838]

57 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

The problem with that argument is that there have been several players who have signed long term deals with their clubs, and players who would draw considerable interest on the open market as well.  Are you suggesting each manager told them not to do it?

I would suggest not when there are two years left on the contract. 

[Dr. Gonzo 24,459]

2 hours ago, juzzk1d said:

Don't forget that Fremantle have a mountain of players to attract/retain. Fyfe is coming out of contract and set to become a RFA at years end, Cam McCarthy is pretty much a lock to go there also and they have offered Hooker a monster deal.

The more wins we have on the board, the more unrealistic it will be for Freo to lure him - so they will put majority of their eggs in the Fyfe, McCarthy & Hooker basket.

 

They've also got Pav & Sandliands to retire (Johnson &  Mundy too?)