On 08/05/2015 at 04:29, daisycutter said:

just love it when you talk all legalese, red

It is an art form.

  On 08/05/2015 at 04:25, Redleg said:

I think Mc Devitt feels that the AFL tribunal stopped the domino from falling, which it should have done and then taken the other ones with it.

that tribunal wasnt that good about joining dots ( or dominoes)

  On 08/05/2015 at 04:32, Redleg said:

It is an art form.

Red in your case your words may be an art form, however, I would use the word "artful" to describe the law and many members of the profession using the full meaning of that lovely word!

  On 03/05/2015 at 10:31, bing181 said:

From what I can see, not too many seem to share your view. The outcome at the tribunal turned on one decision, whether or not it was TB4 that left the plant - that manufactures TB4.

Once that domino didn't fall, none of the others followed.

That's the thing that concerns me. A sports scientist arranges for drugs to be supplied by a Chinese manufacturer who produces TB4 i.e. the "bad" Thymosin and the Tribunal which claims to be comfortably satisfied that the players didn't ingest the "good" Thymosin can't conclude that the sports scientist injected the product that one purchases from that manufacturer. They simply don't know.

It's like going to the milk bar, asking for a bottle of milk, getting a bottle with white liquid that has all the attributes of milk and the court saying they're not comfortably satisfied that you purchased milk.

Redleg who has years of experience in the court system will tell you that judges who determine cases will sometimes pluck decisions like that out of their proverbials when it suits them.

  On 08/05/2015 at 06:34, Whispering_Jack said:

That's the thing that concerns me. A sports scientist arranges for drugs to be supplied by a Chinese manufacturer who produces TB4 i.e. the "bad" Thymosin and the Tribunal which claims to be comfortably satisfied that the players didn't ingest the "good" Thymosin can't conclude that the sports scientist injected the product that one purchases from that manufacturer. They simply don't know.

It's like going to the milk bar, asking for a bottle of milk, getting a bottle with white liquid that has all the attributes of milk and the court saying they're not comfortably satisfied that you purchased milk.

Redleg who has years of experience in the court system will tell you that judges who determine cases will sometimes pluck decisions like that out of their proverbials when it suits them.

Not a "backyarder"

Tribunal appeared to trivialize the Chinese supplier of TB4 but the Company has cred!

THE Chinese Mnf. GL-Biochem is part of Global group 'Commonwealth Biotechnologies, Inc Richmond Virginia' and has Corporate ties to Melbourne lab Mimotopes.

RICHMOND, Va.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Commonwealth Biotechnologies, Inc. (“CBI”) (CBTE.OB) is pleased to provide this market update about its planned acquisition of Shanghai-based GL-Biochem and its associated businesses (collectively the “GL Group”), one of the largest global suppliers of research-grade peptide products and peptide reagents. On completion of the transaction, CBI believes it will be the largest supplier of pre-clinical peptide reagents and custom peptide synthesis services in the world. The Company will be comprised of (i) the GL Group in China, (ii) Mimotopes Pty Ltd in Australia and (iii) assets in Richmond, Virginia. In addition to the GL Group, CBI will continue to own and operate Mimotopes Pty Ltd, based in Melbourne, Australia, an industry leader in the peptide and discovery chemistry sector.

http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20100326005568/en/CBI-GL-Biochem-Acquisition-Market-Update-Transaction-Progress

I don't see how the judges could be "comfortably satisfied"

it was plain to everybody that essendon was clearly "uncomfortable", as was the AFL and the medja

  On 08/05/2015 at 06:34, Whispering_Jack said:

That's the thing that concerns me. A sports scientist arranges for drugs to be supplied by a Chinese manufacturer who produces TB4 i.e. the "bad" Thymosin and the Tribunal which claims to be comfortably satisfied that the players didn't ingest the "good" Thymosin can't conclude that the sports scientist injected the product that one purchases from that manufacturer. They simply don't know.

It's like going to the milk bar, asking for a bottle of milk, getting a bottle with white liquid that has all the attributes of milk and the court saying they're not comfortably satisfied that you purchased milk.

Redleg who has years of experience in the court system will tell you that judges who determine cases will sometimes pluck decisions like that out of their proverbials when it suits them.

You should send that in to CEO Dill Mr Whispering....Sums up the whole 2 years....i for one will never do anything that financially assists Essendon ever again as my little protest because it Stinks

Charters is SO DODGY!!! Hird worked with him for YEARS....

The an Oceania wada board meeting tomorrow. What will be on the agenda?

  On 08/05/2015 at 07:01, deefrag said:

Not a "backyarder"

Tribunal appeared to trivialize the Chinese supplier of TB4 but the Company has cred!

THE Chinese Mnf. GL-Biochem is part of Global group 'Commonwealth Biotechnologies, Inc Richmond Virginia' and has Corporate ties to Melbourne lab Mimotopes.

RICHMOND, Va.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Commonwealth Biotechnologies, Inc. (CBI) (CBTE.OB) is pleased to provide this market update about its planned acquisition of Shanghai-based GL-Biochem and its associated businesses (collectively the GL Group), one of the largest global suppliers of research-grade peptide products and peptide reagents. On completion of the transaction, CBI believes it will be the largest supplier of pre-clinical peptide reagents and custom peptide synthesis services in the world. The Company will be comprised of (i) the GL Group in China, (ii) Mimotopes Pty Ltd in Australia and (iii) assets in Richmond, Virginia. In addition to the GL Group, CBI will continue to own and operate Mimotopes Pty Ltd, based in Melbourne, Australia, an industry leader in the peptide and discovery chemistry sector.

http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20100326005568/en/CBI-GL-Biochem-Acquisition-Market-Update-Transaction-Progress

Waiting for the accusation that the Chinese company substitued MSG for the good Thiomysin like the lame excuse in today's paper where a drug traffiicker blames Chinese syndicates for giving him 30kg of Ice instead of peptides to smuggle to Australia and got caught.

  On 08/05/2015 at 06:34, Whispering_Jack said:

Redleg who has years of experience in the court system will tell you that judges who determine cases will sometimes pluck decisions like that out of their proverbials when it suits them.

or possibly others

  On 08/05/2015 at 07:14, Sir Why You Little said:

You should send that in to CEO Dill Mr Whispering....Sums up the whole 2 years....i for one will never do anything that financially assists Essendon ever again as my little protest because it Stinks

Charters is SO DODGY!!! Hird worked with him for YEARS....

correct and blackens not only Hird's coaching career but also his playing days.

  On 08/05/2015 at 07:15, DemonFrog said:

The an Oceania wada board meeting tomorrow. What will be on the agenda?

chips and dip perhaps

  On 08/05/2015 at 07:35, hemingway said:

correct and blackens not only Hird's coaching career but also his playing days.

How dare you Hemingway!! Sir James playing career was totally above board as this photo proves

  On 08/05/2015 at 07:41, hogans_heroes said:

How dare you Hemingway!! Sir James playing career was totally above board as this photo proves

(t)B1 and (t)B2. Photography by Dank Studios

  On 08/05/2015 at 07:14, Sir Why You Little said:

You should send that in to CEO Dill Mr Whispering....Sums up the whole 2 years....i for one will never do anything that financially assists Essendon ever again as my little protest because it Stinks

Charters is SO DODGY!!! Hird worked with him for YEARS....

  On 08/05/2015 at 07:35, hemingway said:

correct and blackens not only Hird's coaching career but also his playing days.

...and so did one of our's, does it blacken his?

  On 08/05/2015 at 06:34, Whispering_Jack said:

That's the thing that concerns me. A sports scientist arranges for drugs to be supplied by a Chinese manufacturer who produces TB4 i.e. the "bad" Thymosin and the Tribunal which claims to be comfortably satisfied that the players didn't ingest the "good" Thymosin can't conclude that the sports scientist injected the product that one purchases from that manufacturer. They simply don't know.

It's like going to the milk bar, asking for a bottle of milk, getting a bottle with white liquid that has all the attributes of milk and the court saying they're not comfortably satisfied that you purchased milk.

Redleg who has years of experience in the court system will tell you that judges who determine cases will sometimes pluck decisions like that out of their proverbials when it suits them.

It's worse than that, the tribunal said it was possibly TB4 or TB500, both banned substances, so it is like buying milk, marked milk, but then claiming it may be low fat milk so we can't really call it milk!

  On 08/05/2015 at 08:25, Chris said:

It's worse than that, the tribunal said it was possibly TB4 or TB500, both banned substances, so it is like buying milk, marked milk, but then claiming it may be low fat milk so we can't really call it milk!

truly sickens me how farcical it all has been.

Put another way, there's three I couldn't respect if you paid me.

  On 08/05/2015 at 06:34, Whispering_Jack said:

That's the thing that concerns me. A sports scientist arranges for drugs to be supplied by a Chinese manufacturer who produces TB4 i.e. the "bad" Thymosin and the Tribunal which claims to be comfortably satisfied that the players didn't ingest the "good" Thymosin can't conclude that the sports scientist injected the product that one purchases from that manufacturer. They simply don't know.

It's like going to the milk bar, asking for a bottle of milk, getting a bottle with white liquid that has all the attributes of milk and the court saying they're not comfortably satisfied that you purchased milk.

Redleg who has years of experience in the court system will tell you that judges who determine cases will sometimes pluck decisions like that out of their proverbials when it suits them.

The best way I've heard it summed up was:

1,2,3,4,_,6,_,8,9

We all know the missing numbers are 5 and 7, but you can't prove it so Essendon aren't guilty

Well actually we know they are 5 and 7, not missing at all, but was the 5 a 5 or was it a 5? Was the 7 a 7 or a 7 ?

You can see how the Tribunal members might be uncertain, especially if suddenly switching to absolute proof when all over decisions weren't. Clear as mud ( or that other brown muddy stuff)

AOC not happy:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-05-09/asada-has-its-hands-tied-says-aoc-john-coates/6457672

going...

  On 09/05/2015 at 06:51, sue said:

AOC not happy:

Fork 'em not happy either

  On 09/05/2015 at 23:08, Fork said:

Fork 'em not happy either

Mr Coates is also head honcho at the CAS. Is this his way of telling the world that the Dopers have finally gotten away with it??

  On 10/05/2015 at 02:31, deefrag said:

Mr Coates is also head honcho at the CAS. Is this his way of telling the world that the Dopers have finally gotten away with it??

Schit schit schit!!!!

They couldn't have could they?

They will be more insufferable than they ever were

  On 10/05/2015 at 02:31, deefrag said:

Mr Coates is also head honcho at the CAS. Is this his way of telling the world that the Dopers have finally gotten away with it??

or his way of telling WADA to go for it. Too much reading of tea leaves is bad for you.