What does Frawley offer that McDonald doesn't?

Speed, strength, less wonky kicking (not that he's great but he's better than McDonald) and slightly calmer decision making as well.

McDonald's a very disciplined solid player. But his spot a good team would be challenged due to his lack of skills - marking, kicking and hand-balling and also because he's just not that good one on one. He doesn't intercept mark with authority or punch the ball clear, he's not immovable in a battle of strength nor is he lightning and capable of shutting down the best when they get him on the lead.

I believe that after Friday night, Viney has cemented himself a place in the back line.

Yeah I see Viney as being our Matt Suckling with that elite left foot coming out of defence.

Fitzpatrick is a crumbing forward trapped inside the body of a ruckman.

Speed, strength, less wonky kicking (not that he's great but he's better than McDonald) and slightly calmer decision making as well.

McDonald's a very disciplined solid player. But his spot a good team would be challenged due to his lack of skills - marking, kicking and hand-balling and also because he's just not that good one on one. He doesn't intercept mark with authority or punch the ball clear, he's not immovable in a battle of strength nor is he lightning and capable of shutting down the best when they get him on the lead.

I think McDonald is a much better mark than Frawley and his kicking is on par...Chip's decision making and kicking appeared to improve markedly with the better Hawthorn team playing against the Saints, McDonalds would as well.

Yeah I see Viney as being our Matt Suckling with that elite left foot coming out of defence.

The sarcasm is real

Fitzpatrick is a crumbing forward trapped inside the body of a ruckman.

Fitzpatrick moves like a wounded baby giraffe, I just don't have faith in him.

That's right, I remember Martin did some good things down back. IIRC he clucked some good marks to stop the flow of play. Rate him much higher than Fitzy. Still, I'm a Fitzy believer, I love to see an underdog prove the critics wrong.

Is there a good 200cm key defender in the comp ATM? Someone's got to go up against the guys like Tippett, Daniher and (dare I say it) Clark.

I have always been of the opinion that Fitzy could be a dustin fletcher type full back IF he can read the ball.

Spoke to my daughter on the phone on her birthday. They both have to manage type 1 diabetes. To liken our players to turds is a disgrace people.

Fitzpatrick moves like a wounded baby giraffe, I just don't have faith in him.

That comment reminds me more of Paul Johnson than Fitzy

Fitzpatrick is a crumbing forward trapped inside the body of a ruckman.

Sorry I meant this comment and Paul Johnson! If only he realised how big he was!

That comment reminds me more of Paul Johnson than Fitzy

Paul Johnson is a good comparison here. I was a fan of his when he came over and he had many of the same attributes as Fitzy, although he was bigger. He just couldn't translate good VFL form into good AFL form, something I think Fitzy will continue to fail to do. I just don't have any faith in him.

I have always been of the opinion that Fitzy could be a dustin fletcher type full back IF he can read the ball.

Spoke to my daughter on the phone on her birthday. They both have to manage type 1 diabetes. To liken our players to turds is a disgrace people.

I take it you weren't referring to me (you quoted me) because that's not what I said, nor would never say about Fitz.

Speed, strength, less wonky kicking (not that he's great but he's better than McDonald) and slightly calmer decision making as well.

McDonald's a very disciplined solid player. But his spot a good team would be challenged due to his lack of skills - marking, kicking and hand-balling and also because he's just not that good one on one. He doesn't intercept mark with authority or punch the ball clear, he's not immovable in a battle of strength nor is he liging and capable of shutting down the best when they get him on the lead.

Frawley was useless. Very average football player. Tom McDonald is no star himself, but it is an insult to compare him to Frawley.

MFC dodged 2 bullets with Scully and Frawley. It is like the football gods finally smiled down upon us.

What does Frawley offer that McDonald doesn't?

ATM strength, better kicking and decision making (though Frawley is not elite in these two). I'd even go so far as to say Chip is better at holding down the no1 opposition forward. It appears that the Hawks wanted a strong bodied back who would compliment Lake and allow Gibson to be more mobile and creative. Exactly what they got.

You can't polish a terd...

Mythbusters proved that you can!

Jack Fitzpatrick 2014 season

Round 1 - 4 disposals 0 goals.

Round 2 - 4 disposals 0 goals.

Round 3 - 4 disposals 0 goals.

Some people have said he wasn't given opportunity.

Compare him to a Ben Brown from North Melbourne.

How much does/will Fitzpatrick impact games?

4 DISPOSALS 0 GOALS

Fitzpatrick is a crumbing forward trapped inside the body of a ruckman.

Paul Johnson

Any other surprises at training? Viney at FF or Hogan in the midfield?

Heard JKH was firming for a ruck position against Nev Jetta.

Jack Fitzpatrick 2014 season

Round 1 - 4 disposals 0 goals.

Round 2 - 4 disposals 0 goals.

Round 3 - 4 disposals 0 goals.

Some people have said he wasn't given opportunity.

Compare him to a Ben Brown from North Melbourne.

How much does/will Fitzpatrick impact games? 4 DISPOSALS 0 GOALS

To be fair his first two games were affected by concussion. Was subbed out both times if I can recall.

Great move as one of our short comings is that we dont have a tall backman . Tommy mac and Frost cant handle the David Hale tippet types . I suspect that fitzy is being groomed as a back up though . Wouldnt it be great if we could send a resting gawn or jamar into defence when required .

No. Gawn is not a football player and Jamar will retire this year. We will need to recruit a new ruckman.

No. Gawn is not a football player and Jamar will retire this year. We will need to recruit a new ruckman.

We should go after Tom Nicholls if he can't usurp Zac Smith this year. They are both guns and there isn't room for both.

Sorry Saty, can't accept these sugar coated reports anymore.

Many appreciate your reports, but after Friday night, nothing's changed.....just the date.

Keep up the optimism, son.

I hope you find a job soon.

I take it you weren't referring to me (you quoted me) because that's not what I said, nor would never say about Fitz.

No not you moonie

I agree with your faith in Fitzy.

Im just upset that people refer to a kid in that way

To be fair his first two games were affected by concussion. Was subbed out both times if I can recall.

Don't let the facts get in the way, it only confuses people.

No. Gawn is not a football player and Jamar will retire this year. We will need to recruit a new ruckman.

A ready to go ruckman or experienced ruckman...and one of them wouldn't come cheap.

We should go after Tom Nicholls if he can't usurp Zac Smith this year. They are both guns and there isn't room for both.

Tom signed a contract extension late last year.

Daniel Gorringe or Zac Clark are two i would chase hard at the end of the year.