THE ESSENDON 34: ON TRIAL

[daisycutter 28,681]

Caro doesn't write the headlines. That's done by a sub-editor.

wasn't just the headline jnr

but she should have added a qualifier such as expected or likely or anything

[Wrecker45 3,378]

wasn't just the headline jnr

but she should have added a qualifier such as expected or likely or anything

I've got a screen shot of The Age website from that day and is says "James Hird removed as Essendon coach" beneath that is says Caroline Wilson.

[sue 8,475]

wasn't just the headline jnr

but she should have added a qualifier such as expected or likely or anything

If a journo thinks something is true, I'd rather them stick their neck out than qualify everything with verbiage to cover their bum.

It is easy to write that it is expected (rumoured/likely/....) that Paul Roos will be sacked by the MFC Board tomorrow and a randomly selected Demonland poster will replace him.

On the other hand if a sub-editor turns speculation into fact then the journo has a right to feel hard done by.

[Sir Why You Little 34,809]

I've got a screen shot of The Age website from that day and is says "James Hird removed as Essendon coach" beneath that is says Caroline Wilson.

Does she write the same sentence in the story or just imply it?

Sub Editors often take a punt & cross the fingers when writing a Headline.

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,533]

Of course, Caro may have been right and then the EFC reversed their decision. Didn't we do the same with Schwab (or was it Bailey...I can't remember now)?

[Wrecker45 3,378]

Does she write the same sentence in the story or just imply it?

Sub Editors often take a punt & cross the fingers when writing a Headline.

I've only got a screen shot of what was the feature article headline on The Age website. The content may well have been different but if so it is an indictment on The Age that they would run their main headline breaking a huge story contrary to what their Chief Football Editor had written.

[Wrecker45 3,378]

Of course, Caro may have been right and then the EFC reversed their decision. Didn't we do the same with Schwab (or was it Bailey...I can't remember now)?

More likely Caro was wrong and desperate for a story given Adrian Anderson was no longer leaking her stories and keeping her ahead of the game.

[daisycutter 28,681]

If a journo thinks something is true, I'd rather them stick their neck out than qualify everything with verbiage to cover their bum.

It is easy to write that it is expected (rumoured/likely/....) that Paul Roos will be sacked by the MFC Board tomorrow and a randomly selected Demonland poster will replace him.

On the other hand if a sub-editor turns speculation into fact then the journo has a right to feel hard done by.

but i was saying (if my memory serves me right) that she also said it unequivocally in the body of the article

nothing wrong with a mild qualifier for something in the future. can still make a forcible statement without being so absolute

[daisycutter 28,681]

Of course, Caro may have been right and then the EFC reversed their decision. Didn't we do the same with Schwab (or was it Bailey...I can't remember now)?

she probably was(depending on timing, obviously) as far as intention went

[old dee 22,978]

Gee sorry I started this bun fight it was meant to point out how ordinary the Hun and Robbo are.

Not start a session for love and hate of Caro.

Edited January 29, 2015 by old dee

[Wrecker45 3,378]

Gee sorry I start this bun fight it was meant to point out how ordinary the Hun and Robbo are.

Not start a session for love and hate of Caro.

Anyone who loves Caro may as well love Mitch Clark. Both done the wrong thing by the MFC.

[old dee 22,978]

Anyone who loves Caro may as well love Mitch Clark. Both done the wrong thing by the MFC.

I have no doubt her dog does Mr Wrecker

[Sir Why You Little 34,809]

I've only got a screen shot of what was the feature article headline on The Age website. The content may well have been different but if so it is an indictment on The Age that they would run their main headline breaking a huge story contrary to what their Chief Football Editor had written.

Happens a lot mate from all media sources.

A big Headline sells and Wilson as the Chief writer has to wear it. (The subby is totally anonymous..!)

I only vaguely remember the article and her sources may have been rock solid. A lot can change during a late night meeting as the paper is being printed.

Granted the Web has made the daily fish & chip wrapper almost redundant.

[Dees2014 2,377]

Anyone who loves Caro may as well love Mitch Clark. Both done the wrong thing by the MFC.

Caro is pure and simple an investigative reporter who happens to specialize in the AFL. And what a fertile field it is for her! She does not play favorites, she is just interested in the story, and rightly or wrongly the MFC over the last five years have provided some of the juiciest stories around. Get used to it. Hopefully, in future they will be about success and not failure: either way, Caro will be at the barricades ferreting for the best story. All power to her...she is an immensely talented journalist. Thankfully they are not all like that [censored] Mark Robinson.

Edited January 29, 2015 by Dees2014

[Redleg 37,976]

Happens a lot mate from all media sources.

A big Headline sells and Wilson as the Chief writer has to wear it. (The subby is totally anonymous..!)

I only vaguely remember the article and her sources may have been rock solid. A lot can change during a late night meeting as the paper is being printed.

Granted the Web has made the daily fish & chip wrapper almost redundant.

Congrats, you obviously did well in the Australia Day Honours list. They must have forgotten to mention that 3rd knighthood, after Prince Phillip's shocker.

[Wrecker45 3,378]

Caro is pure and simple an investigative reporter who happens to specialize in the AFL. And what a fertile field it is for her! She does not play favorites, she is just interested in the story, and rightly or wrongly the MFC over the last five years have provided some of the juiciest stories around. Get used to it. Hopefully, in future they will be about success and not failure: either way, Caro will be at the barricades ferreting for the best story. All power to her...she is an immensely talented journalist. Thankfully they are not all like that [censored] Mark Robinson.

Richmond?

[Dees2014 2,377]

I reckon Essendon would be waiting for Hurd to be removed by the AFL so then there is no payout on their behalf.

I'm not sure under what mechanism the AFL could sack Hird. He is employed by the EFC, they can only sack him, although obviously the peak body has considerable influence over their underlings (i love saying that about the EFC!)

[old dee 22,978]

Congrats, you obviously did well in the Australia Day Honours list. They must have forgotten to mention that 3rd knighthood, after Prince Phillip's shocker.

I wrote the following elsewhere Mr Leg

Sir WYL

I must have missed you on Tony's list!

But you have probably done more to deserve one than the Duke

[Dees2014 2,377]

Richmond?

Sure her father was a long time President of Richmond and she makes no secret of the team she supports, but I certainly have seen no favouritism in terms of reporting, in fact some of her most biting commentary has been about the Tigers. I know who I prefer between her and mark [censored] robinson

[deefrag 277]

Richmond?

Caro hate Hird Caro good egg!!

[Lucifers Hero 37,323]

Well to be more specific, I think the Hird court case will be tossed out within two weeks, and he may well be forced to resign as a result - this time at last by Essendon.

The findings from the AFL Tribunal will I think be handed down within a month of the season starting, and l am expecting them to be favorable to the players which will allow them to continue playing, with probably several of the coaches including Hird receiving longish sentences (maybe a couple of years each). This will be unacceptable to ASADA who will appeal it, l assume through the AFL appeal mechanisms. They will then probably confirm the AFL Tribunal findings, but this could take another month, although as it is in the control of the AFL they clearly have an interest in accelerating the process.

I believe the decision is being handed down at 2.15 tomorrow

Jack Nial from the Age has reported that players remain on suspension while appeal is in process regardless of who appeals. No idea if that is right - just what he reported:

"The prospect of appeals from either ASADA or the players if they lose is another complication. Under the rules, the players would be unable to play during an appeal period if they were challenging suspensions."

Edited January 29, 2015 by Lucifer's Hero

[Sir Why You Little 34,809]

Congrats, you obviously did well in the Australia Day Honours list. They must have forgotten to mention that 3rd knighthood, after Prince Phillip's shocker.

Thanks Red

Yes Nutbag Abbott gave me the knighthood.

I didn't ask for it, but it does look nice!!

Edit: At least i am an Australian Citizen!!

Edited January 29, 2015 by Sir Why You Little

[Redleg 37,976]

I wrote the following elsewhere Mr Leg

Sir WYL

I must have missed you on Tony's list!

But you have probably done more to deserve one than the Duke

I need to read your posts.

[Redleg 37,976]

Thanks Red

Yes Nutbag Abbott gave me the knighthood.

I didn't ask for it, but it does look nice!!

He didn't mention one for me did he?

[daisycutter 28,681]

He didn't mention one for me did he?

think he said something for you in his second term, redleg

patience