Hoping Jack can be a regular this year. Will be some competition down back or for a defensive mid position.

Good for you Jack! Probably the most selfless player at the club, along with his former co-captain.

Now he can stop worrying about others and concentrate on his own game.

Agree Rowdy, Jack and his family bleed red and blue, he has co captained through a very difficult time for the club which is a big ask for someone so young.

He recognises that his form has suffered as a result and the injuries Jack has suffered have compounded the problem.

Given a full pre season I'm confident he can make an impact in 2015.

Pushed. And if he loses his spot next year that might be it for him. I'm on record as saying he isn't good enough, so for me this strengthens our 22. I wouldn't have him in it.

Thanks for the service though, Jack.

Pushed. And if he loses his spot next year that might be it for him. I'm on record as saying he isn't good enough, so for me this strengthens our 22. I wouldn't have him in it.

Thanks for the service though, Jack.

Agree, I posted a best 22 for next year and he wasn't in it, and that was before the draft.

Edited December 1, 201410 yr by Al's Demons

And to think Trengove was nearly at Tigerland. Good to see the club isn't pulling any punches. Nice guys finish.....last or very bloody close to it.

Edited December 1, 201410 yr by Al's Demons

And some not so much.

I still think he's a great leader and has a lot of good traits as a player to be an on field leader.

I'm very glad that Jack and/or the coaches have seen that there is a problem with his form though. First step to fixing a problem is acknowledging it. I hope we see a faster, stronger and more skillful Jack Grimes out on the field next year.

There is nothing to say he can't still be an on-field leader, even if it is not in an official capacity. Surely though he will be elected to the leadership group.

Vice Captain?

My bet is either Bernie Vince or Chris Dawes. Both would be good choices. I know Bernie has had a bit of a "wild man" reputation, but I think he has been terrific for the MFC, and his experience would be invaluable for Jonesy. Chris Dawes is a hugely impressive and smart individual. I understand Eddie rates him very highly and sees him as holding key management positions at the Pies/AFL in the future, thereby putting his Law Degree when he eventually graduates to good use.

Either way, we are in good hands.

I feel sad for Jack but as said earlier this probably needed to happen. I don't think the captaincy was as bad for him as it was for Trenners . It made more sense for the former individual to do it as opposed to the latter due to his age when selected. However, Grimesy at times last year was on the verge of being dropped and at the end of the season may have been traded if he weren't captain. Now, he can focus on playing and won't have to stay in the team for the sole reason because he is the captain.

WYL summed it up best. It was a desperate move and a marketin gimmick pulled off by people who wanted to save their jobs. I too would like to see Jack go back to number 16 as well. We can all then forget about the 'Whiteboard Wednesday' and 'reality bus' eras once and for all.

All these decisions are correct. Club should be congratulated. Faith is slowly being restored.

There is nothing to say he can't still be an on-field leader, even if it is not in an official capacity. Surely though he will be elected to the leadership group.

Vice Captain?

My bet is either Bernie Vince or Chris Dawes. Both would be good choices. I know Bernie has had a bit of a "wild man" reputation, but I think he has been terrific for the MFC, and his experience would be invaluable for Jonesy. Chris Dawes is a hugely impressive and smart individual. I understand Eddie rates him very highly and sees him as holding key management positions at the Pies/AFL in the future, thereby putting his Law Degree when he eventually graduates to good use.

Either way, we are in good hands.

Just not a good enough footballer. We don't need him to be an impressive individual who can hold down key management positions we just need him to take marks and kick goals. Eddie knows this and thats why he's not at Collingwood.

Pushed. And if he loses his spot next year that might be it for him. I'm on record as saying he isn't good enough, so for me this strengthens our 22. I wouldn't have him in it.

Thanks for the service though, Jack.

I don't agree, he's had a couple of lean years and really needs to focus on his footy but he is good enough and I hope he proves many on here wrong.

There is nothing to say he can't still be an on-field leader, even if it is not in an official capacity. Surely though he will be elected to the leadership group.

Vice Captain?

My bet is either Bernie Vince or Chris Dawes. Both would be good choices. I know Bernie has had a bit of a "wild man" reputation, but I think he has been terrific for the MFC, and his experience would be invaluable for Jonesy. Chris Dawes is a hugely impressive and smart individual. I understand Eddie rates him very highly and sees him as holding key management positions at the Pies/AFL in the future, thereby putting his Law Degree when he eventually graduates to good use.

Either way, we are in good hands.

I'd expect the VC role will be between Dunn and Dawes, most likely the former.

One thing that felt good about that - my initial thought was Viney or Tyson, but then I realised that we do actually have some senior players who are more than capable VC's, so it allowed me to not put that on a kid/s allowing them to continue to develop.

We have turned the corner.

i think the vice-captain for the next few years anyway, should be a one year appointment with the intention of rotating it yearly

Whilst I agree and applaud Grimes for making this call to focus on his game, I am not 100% convinced that this means that Jones will captain in his own right next year.

It will be interesting because I can't recall too many teams coached by Paul Roos where there was a sole captain at the club, perhaps the early days with Stuart Maxfield. But that quickly changed with him being in favour of having co-captains, and it seems as though its the leadership model that he prefers.

Roos does appear to favor having a captain/senior leader on each line of the ground, and for that reason I wouldn't be surprised if we see players like Dawes and Dunn elevated. Jones has a young family, and I am not convinced it is his interests to take the role on exclusively either.

Did he jump or was he pushed?

Almost certainly the latter - don't think its in his DNA to shy away from leadership challenges. Either way I think its in the best interests of both Jack and the club.

Hope he has a bumper season !!

I agree, and see it as another indication of the vastly improved professionalism at our footy club.

I agree, and see it as another indication of the vastly improved professionalism at our footy club.

Yep, is about the team and the club.

Both lads were unfairly burdened with a mantle neither could manage. Not their fault...And we move on

Just not a good enough footballer. We don't need him to be an impressive individual who can hold down key management positions we just need him to take marks and kick goals. Eddie knows this and thats why he's not at Collingwood.

I don't agree, he's had a couple of lean years and really needs to focus on his footy but he is good enough and I hope he proves many on here wrong.

rjay I doubt there are very many in fact I would say only a couple who do not want Grimes to succeed.

However there are quite a few ( I am one ) who do not believe he is all he is cracked up to be.

I will be surprised if he is more than an average player in the future.

I do not want him to fail and when he runs high up in the B and F at the end of 2015 I am more than happy to be wrong.

On the 2nd December 2014 I just don't see it.

rjay I doubt there are very many in fact I would say only a couple who do not want Grimes to succeed.

However there are quite a few ( I am one ) who do not believe he is all he is cracked up to be.

I will be surprised if he is more than an average player in the future.

I do not want him to fail and when he runs high up in the B and F at the end of 2015 I am more than happy to be wrong.

On the 2nd December 2014 I just don't see it.

I wouldn't hold the B&F up as an indicator of success I think we will know by the end of 2015 if he can really play or not. I think he can and I also think many on here will never believe he can even if he wins a Brownlow.

i think the vice-captain for the next few years anyway, should be a one year appointment with the intention of rotating it yearly

They should stop trying to force things and just select the C, VC and LG each year.

Did he jump or was he pushed?

Almost certainly the latter - don't think its in his DNA to shy away from leadership challenges. Either way I think its in the best interests of both Jack and the club.

Hope he has a bumper season !!

Truly great leaders know when it's time to move aside. I don't know whether he jumped or was pushed, but if he jumped he's shown real leadership by putting the team first.

Like Mitchell at the Hawks, stepped aside and let Hodge take the captaincy.

Been good for both players and the club.

I think if Jacks purely focused on his game, decisions, execution etc... and not trying to rally and direct others he'll come back to form quickly and better than we've ever seen him play.

Plus he now has something to prove.

I have no doubts this kid can play and we can add him to the list of poor development and poor management. Should have still been learning the basics and concentrating on his own game before being made the face of the club that was on the edge of destruction.

I can't imagine the stress put on Grimes and Trenners during that dark dark period. No wonder they plateaued / went backwards. Poor kids probably didn't have a nights sleep for 2 years.

All the best Grimesy at just concentrating on getting some more of the pill like you used to and using it well.

I still have faith that he will get back to his best that we all so early fell in love wit. Also, come 2015, I believe we will pretty much have a brand new high quality mid in Trenners returning and remind us why he was a pick 2.

Here's hoping at least

Just not a good enough footballer. We don't need him to be an impressive individual who can hold down key management positions we just need him to take marks and kick goals. Eddie knows this and thats why he's not at Collingwood.

I don't agree, he's had a couple of lean years and really needs to focus on his footy but he is good enough and I hope he proves many on here wrong.

Eddie knows he was selected to play in 3 grand finals for Collingwood

I wouldn't hold the B&F up as an indicator of success

It's pretty much the only indicator that counts in my book

WYL summed it up best. It was a desperate move and a marketin gimmick pulled off by people who wanted to save their jobs. I too would like to see Jack go back to number 16 as well. We can all then forget about the 'Whiteboard Wednesday' and 'reality bus' eras once and for all.

I always thought it was more a case of Trengove and Grimes being the most appropriate candidates. Jones didn't appear ready at that stage and no one else was suitable. Trengove was clearly too young but the alternatives were virtually non-existent. Not sure there's any support for the notion that it was a marketing gimmick. Our leadership stocks at the time were deplorable. Our senior players were average on the field and worse off it. The Trengove/Grimes combination didn't work but that doesn't mean there was a better alternative.

Edited December 2, 201410 yr by Goodvibes

There is nothing to say he can't still be an on-field leader, even if it is not in an official capacity. Surely though he will be elected to the leadership group.

Vice Captain?

My bet is either Bernie Vince or Chris Dawes. Both would be good choices. I know Bernie has had a bit of a "wild man" reputation, but I think he has been terrific for the MFC, and his experience would be invaluable for Jonesy. Chris Dawes is a hugely impressive and smart individual. I understand Eddie rates him very highly and sees him as holding key management positions at the Pies/AFL in the future, thereby putting his Law Degree when he eventually graduates to good use.

Either way, we are in good hands.

Bernie wasn't even inducted in the leadership group last year I highly doubt he will go straight to a vice captain role.

As much as he is a good player he doesn't exactly scream of VC let alone a leader.

I always thought it was more a case of Trengove and Grimes being the most appropriate candidates. Jones didn't appear ready at that stage and no one else was suitable. Trengove was clearly too young but the alternatives were virtually non-existent. Not sure there's any support for the notion that it was a marketing gimmick. Our leadership stocks at the time were deplorable. Our senior players were average on the field and worse off it. The Trengove/Grimes combination didn't work but that doesn't mean there was a better alternative.

no excuse for putting babies in charge.

Those responsible should be ashamed

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