Because he spends 80-85% of his time doing something other than rucking?

I like your thinking...

I would prefer to have a battler for those 15-20 minutes in the ruck if he is more than useful elsewhere than another lumberer to go along with a primary lumberer.

Unless Gawn can clunk 7-10 marks a game as a forward and kick 2-3 goals on regular occasions, I don't think he should be backing up Jamar.

He should be gunning for his job really...

Agree, we need a forward who can ruck.

I was thinking that with Gawn in the side playing deep forward the opposition would need to put the best defender on him (due to his height). Hogan will run whoever he gets off his feet and dawes will get the 2nd defender. I know what you are saying about slow, Gawn doesn't have the best follow up, but as mentioned on other threads our ball movement didn't allow us to take advantage of his height or ability to make a contest 1v1 at least.. with garlett and co around our forwards feet + better midfield movement of the ball i would be less worried about this.

Also sweet dee i like what you are thinking, but Gawn would be unlikely to be played in the ruck if spencer is available too. whenever he goes VFL he seems to spend most of the time forward, if spencer gets injured i could see that happening though..

Not unless he can take the 7-10 marks 'rpfc' is talking about otherwise they will put an attacking defender on him who can run off.

Gawn needs to step up as the number one ruck option, he has to beat Jamar and Spencer to get it if he can't he has no future. He's not a forward, he's a ruckman who can go forward occasionally.

Through rose coloured glasses as usual

I was just about to post exactly the same thing. Great minds and all that.

Agree, we need a forward who can ruck.

Not unless he can take the 7-10 marks 'rpfc' is talking about otherwise they will put an attacking defender on him who can run off.

Gawn needs to step up as the number one ruck option, he has to beat Jamar and Spencer to get it if he can't he has no future. He's not a forward, he's a ruckman who can go forward occasionally.

Unless we get another ruck who can play forward as well as if not better than Gawn.

Then you can use them in a partnership. But Spencer certainly is only right for a 1 ruck team and the same with Jamar.

I wish we could skip ahead a few years to see what Max King becomes. He's got the rare traits skill wise for a big guy to play both positions, but I have no idea about whether he can be effective as a forward or a ruck! Unless he somehow comes in quickly I think Pedersen maintains the edge for that forward/ruck relief role with competition from Fitzpatrick, who might be a little more dangerous forward but needs to show he can compete in the ruck as well as not make coach killer errors forward.

Agree, we need a forward who can ruck.

Not unless he can take the 7-10 marks 'rpfc' is talking about otherwise they will put an attacking defender on him who can run off.

Gawn needs to step up as the number one ruck option, he has to beat Jamar and Spencer to get it if he can't he has no future. He's not a forward, he's a ruckman who can go forward occasionally.

For the most part, Roos settled on Pedersen as our 2nd ruck in 2014. As a general rule, I'd expect that scenario to happen again unless Gawn can improve his marking ability in a significant way (Spencer for the same reason)

The story is nearly always the same when ruckmen (who are predominantly ruckmen) are competing for the one spot (especially in today's footy) ... supporters try and find a way to get 2 of them in the one side.

As a general rule playing 2 ruckman who don't have 2 strings to their bow probably won't happen because it can effectively leave a team one player short and that it turn can effect rotations.

Edited December 8, 201410 yr by Macca

Unless we get another ruck who can play forward as well as if not better than Gawn.

Then you can use them in a partnership. But Spencer certainly is only right for a 1 ruck team and the same with Jamar.

I wish we could skip ahead a few years to see what Max King becomes. He's got the rare traits skill wise for a big guy to play both positions, but I have no idea about whether he can be effective as a forward or a ruck! Unless he somehow comes in quickly I think Pedersen maintains the edge for that forward/ruck relief role with competition from Fitzpatrick, who might be a little more dangerous forward but needs to show he can compete in the ruck as well as not make coach killer errors forward.

No we can't really, and as you say Pedersen or Fitz are the current options.

Just read 'Macca's' post above and he is on the money.

Defenders
Certain: Howe
Probable: Dunn, Jetta
Likely: T McDonald, Garland
Maybe: Frost, O McDonald, Grimes, Michie, Toumpas, Terlich, Hunt, White

Midfielders
Certain: N Jones, Vince, Tyson, Lumumba
Probable: Cross, Viney
Likely: Watts
Maybe: Newton, Brayshaw, M Jones, Neal-Bullen, McKenzie, Harmes, Vandenberg
Injured: Trengove

Forwards
Certain: Hogan
Probable: Dawes
Likely: Garlett, Kent
Maybe: Bail, Petracca, Kennedy-Harris, Salem

Rucks
Likely: Jamar, Pedersen
Maybe: Gawn, Fitzpatrick, Spencer, King

Overall
Certain: N Jones, Vince, Tyson, Lumumba, Howe, Hogan
Probable: Cross, Viney, Dawes, Dunn, Jetta
Likely: Watts, T McDonald, Garland, Jamar, Pedersen, Garlett, Kent
Maybe: Newton, Brayshaw, M Jones, Neal-Bullen, McKenzie, Harmes, Vandenberg, Bail, Petracca, Kennedy-Harris, Salem, Frost, O McDonald, Grimes, Michie, Toumpas, Terlich, Hunt, White, Gawn, Fitzpatrick, Spencer, King
Injured: Trengove

My 2015 team of POTENTIAL PREMIERS

B JETTA FROST GARLAND

HB CROSS MCDONALD DUNNE

C LUMUMBA BRAYSHAW WATTS

HF PETRACCA DAWES KENT

F GARLETT HOGAN HOWE

CENTRE CLEARANCE TRIO JAMAR/ GAWN VINCE JONES

INTER NEWTON TYSON VINEY SUB SALEM

Anyone else like it?

INTER NEWTON TYSON VINEY SUB SALEM

Anyone else like it?

I bet you've been gagging to include "Newton" in a best 22.

My 2015 team of POTENTIAL PREMIERS

B JETTA FROST GARLAND

HB CROSS MCDONALD DUNNE

C LUMUMBA BRAYSHAW WATTS

HF PETRACCA DAWES KENT

F GARLETT HOGAN HOWE

CENTRE CLEARANCE TRIO JAMAR/ GAWN VINCE JONES

INTER NEWTON TYSON VINEY SUB SALEM

Anyone else like it?

I'd like a bit more run/speed from the backline.

I think hogan will play chf not fullfwd

He has the tank and needs the space and we need the option out of defence

We've got so many new players and so many up-and-comers that it's a difficult assignment coming up with a best 22.

Unlike other, more recent seasons the coaches & FD know so much more than we do this time around ... what is almost certainly true is that a number of those players who played regularly last season won't be doing so next season.

In order to bring in Hogan, Lumumba, Frost, Garlett et al, a number of others will need to make room. Then there's all the 18-20 year old's and how Roos will use them and for how many games.

There are just too many variables but that's a good thing in my opinion ... in an ideal world there would be at least 6 players in any given week who are not picked who can count themselves unlucky.

However, we still need at least 6-8 players to step it up to 'very good or better' in order for the team to start winning games on a consistent basis ... at this early stage, it does look as though we have far greater depth.

Starting 22 for round 1 2015 is 2014's round 23 team minus Frawley, Barry, Dawes, and anyone who picks up an injury and is unfit to start round 1, plus Hogan, Garlett, Lamumba (subject to availability/form) and anyone who is picked to replace possible injured player, or anyone who shows greater form than those who were picked rd 23 2014.

Any other team thrown up is a useless hypothetical.

Thanks.

So that means, unless others step up, everyone should have Bail, McKenzie, Riley and Fitzpatrick in their team at this current point in time..

So that means, unless others step up, everyone should have Bail, McKenzie, Riley and Fitzpatrick in their team at this current point in time..

Your stupidity hurts me ^

And dined out on that one performance for the rest of the year. I reckon he is over rated but that is just my opinion. I would like to see him play a few complete games to get a better idea of him Same with Salem who kicked a winning goal after the siren and instantly became a star. He had some pretty ordinary games along the way but kept his spot. I do think he will become a good footballer but at the moment is being rated well above his general performance.

Go and watch his performance against the Crows, he's not over-rated, he'll be more than solid, just needs more development

How do I see the Mighty Dees in 2015 ??

like this of course .........

How do I see the Mighty Dees in 2015 ??

like this of course .........

Do you have a second pair bb?

Do you have a second pair bb?

will hand them out Wed night

will hand them out Wed night

I reckon there is a big market here for the MFC shop.

Nice Red and Blue frames with magenta lenses

I reckon there is a big market here for the MFC shop.

Nice Red and Blue frames with magenta lenses

Al that comment will do is encourage Fl og!

My 2015 team of POTENTIAL PREMIERS

B JETTA FROST GARLAND

HB CROSS MCDONALD DUNNE

C LUMUMBA BRAYSHAW WATTS

HF PETRACCA DAWES KENT

F GARLETT HOGAN HOWE

CENTRE CLEARANCE TRIO JAMAR/ GAWN VINCE JONES

INTER NEWTON TYSON VINEY SUB SALEM

Anyone else like it?

Quite frankly, it's awfully conceived. There is no run or foot skills in the back half and there is no second ruck option

Quite frankly, it's awfully conceived. There is no run or foot skills in the back half and there is no second ruck option

Not to mention that Lynden's surname is spelt incorrectly.

Al that comment will do is encourage Fl og!

who's Al ?

JETTA FROST DUNN

SALEM T MAC THE PRINCE

VINCE JONES TOUMPAS

WATTS DAWES HOWE

GARLETT HOGAN JKH

JAMAR TYSON CROSS

VINEY MICHIE PEDO KENT

Insert GAWN/FITZY for round 1.

Class and run off half back. Dunn can play third tall if needed, I think he's quite versatile. Was impressed with Frosts highlights, he will only get better.

Cross must play, his work around stoppages is invaluable.

Multiple options up forward. JKH to be given a chance in a functioning forward line.

Edited December 9, 201410 yr by Al's Demons

A fit Grimes is going to be ahead of Salem/Toumpas you'd think.

PS. Its Garlett.