On 22/09/2014 at 03:18, beelzebub said:

youre attempting to package LOGIC FAIRNESS and AFL all in one argument

The AFL will work always to its own agenda. Isnt that right Vlad ??

yep LOGIC, FAIRNESS and AFL - pick any 2

  On 22/09/2014 at 03:35, daisycutter said:

yep LOGIC, FAIRNESS and AFL - pick any 2

DC I think you are overstating this.

In fact AFL and the other two are mutually exclusive.

Here we are, one of only two clubs in 20 years who missed out on a priority pick by winning one game too many and we missed it because we were blatantly tanked against by a club which has received more priority picks than any other.

Our total PP collection in the 'rebuild era' has been a single pick 1 and pick 17.

Collingwood got a top priority pick for a single bad year, with grand final appearances within three years on both sides of that selection.

Hawthorn built their premiership list on tanking and hitting the jackpot with their selection.

West Coast systematically and blatantly tanked for three years, screwing it up in the middle but earning two end-of-first-round selections along the way, and like Collingwood made top-4 appearances within a few years either side.

Carlton... well, they have three start-of-first-round priority picks on their list today, and let's face it, they would be in more trouble than even we are without Murphy and Gibbs.

Meanwhile, here we are, rebuilding a gutted list as a result of the disasterous recruiting and list management of Prendergast and Schwab and a string of tragic or maddening events beyond our reasonable control.

They say we don't 'deserve' it, they say we need to 'build culture' first. Well, everything that can be credibly done about that is being done. We are showing that we are an organised football club again and headed in the right direction.

But, we can't just magically conjure up the cattle to be realistically competitive. Our list is deeply deficient, with 'adequate for VFL' players getting games.

No matter how well we manage everything we can control, we need assistance in order to bridge that gap.

  On 22/09/2014 at 03:59, Little Goffy said:

Here we are, one of only two clubs in 20 years who missed out on a priority pick by winning one game too many and we missed it because we were blatantly tanked against by a club which has received more priority picks than any other.

Our total PP collection in the 'rebuild era' has been a single pick 1 and pick 17.

Collingwood got a top priority pick for a single bad year, with grand final appearances within three years on both sides of that selection.

Hawthorn built their premiership list on tanking and hitting the jackpot with their selection.

West Coast systematically and blatantly tanked for three years, screwing it up in the middle but earning two end-of-first-round selections along the way, and like Collingwood made top-4 appearances within a few years either side.

Carlton... well, they have three start-of-first-round priority picks on their list today, and let's face it, they would be in more trouble than even we are without Murphy and Gibbs.

Meanwhile, here we are, rebuilding a gutted list as a result of the disasterous recruiting and list management of Prendergast and Schwab and a string of tragic or maddening events beyond our reasonable control.

They say we don't 'deserve' it, they say we need to 'build culture' first. Well, everything that can be credibly done about that is being done. We are showing that we are an organised football club again and headed in the right direction.

But, we can't just magically conjure up the cattle to be realistically competitive. Our list is deeply deficient, with 'adequate for VFL' players getting games.

No matter how well we manage everything we can control, we need assistance in order to bridge that gap.

Please forward to gmaclachlan@afl.com.au

  On 22/09/2014 at 03:00, Redleg said:

Incorrect, they can do what they want.

If Eddie lets them.

That's why it's called an independent com....ooohhh, well that's what it's supposed to be anyway.

  On 22/09/2014 at 02:49, loges said:

Hogan to come in ? How did that reasoning work out last year ?

I'm not saying I agree with it I'm just saying that's what I think will happen.

  On 22/09/2014 at 03:50, ManDee said:

DC I think you are overstating this.

In fact AFL and the other two are mutually exclusive.

not all, when they do something fair it is usually illogical. when the do something logical it is normally unfair

it is the balance they invariably get wrong

  On 22/09/2014 at 04:35, daisycutter said:

not all, when they do something fair it is usually illogical. when the do something logical it is normally unfair

it is the balance they invariably get wrong

Selective editing DC.

Wonderful prefix manipulation.

However your point is well made.

Never let it be said that pedantry does not exist on demonland.

And to the thumb typers- no it does not involve children.

So, whilst we were made aware that this meeting was occurring today? Are we expecting an outcome or comment on this today?

Given the clubs are meeting today as well, and it's only a few more hours to the Brownlow, I wonder whether things will not be disclosed until after tonight. That is unless we are getting nothing in which case it's just a simple statement to the media stating that no assistance has been granted.

werent the Commission meeting today ??

Outcome will be a negative result.

Has been telegraphed for a while unfortunately.

  On 22/09/2014 at 06:09, DemonAndrew said:

Outcome will be a negative result.

Has been telegraphed for a while unfortunately.

Call me a hopeless optimist, but I actually am starting to think otherwise....

If it was going to be a no, I think we would have heard immediately, and the world would move on! The longer we hear nothing, the more likely that there is something to be announced that needs to be timed appropriately.

I think the only way the AFL will give out a PP is if something completely out of control of the club happens which impacts on multiple players at once.

  On 22/09/2014 at 06:17, Ouch! said:

Call me a hopeless optimist, but I actually am starting to think otherwise....

If it was going to be a no, I think we would have heard immediately, and the world would move on! The longer we hear nothing, the more likely that there is something to be announced that needs to be timed appropriately.

Or... It was such a long shot they've complete forgotten about it... "The club president's are angry with Little... And get stuffed melbourne."

  On 22/09/2014 at 06:51, Mickey said:

Or... It was such a long shot they've complete forgotten about it... "The club president's are angry with Little... And get stuffed melbourne."

... two different meetings aren't they?

Club presidents are meeting, AFL Commission are the ones talking about our assistance.

  On 22/09/2014 at 06:31, Clint Bizkit said:

I think the only way the AFL will give out a PP is if something completely out of control of the club happens which impacts on multiple players at once.

Sounds like an Essendrug kind of problem. They will get draft assistance if their team is decimated yet their demise was in their control!

  On 22/09/2014 at 07:00, sweet dee said:

Sounds like an Essendrug kind of problem. They will get draft assistance if their team is decimated yet their demise was in their control!

Umm so was our ours sd

  On 22/09/2014 at 07:03, old dee said:

Umm so was our ours sd

Not totally.

Jurrah, Wonna, Clark, Frawley, Sylvia, Rivers, Moloney, the bloke at GWS, all because of personal issues or new AFL rules.

Hogan and Trengove injuries etc.

  On 22/09/2014 at 06:31, Clint Bizkit said:

I think the only way the AFL will give out a PP is if something completely out of control of the club happens which impacts on multiple players at once.

Like one top forward taking up booze, quitting the club and going to jail, another top forward suffering a succession of random injuries, quitting the club then declaring that he wants to play elsewhere, a potential top forward missing the entire season with a random and unforeseeable back injury, our top of the line FB deciding he wants to play at a more successful club, two top 20 draft picks suffering badly broken legs and never pushing on and two top 5 draft picks suffering season-ending injuries and having no impact yet? And that on top of the little things from previous years such as multiple senior players from the leadership group packing their bags and walking out o the club, our No. 1 pick being poached under the poorly written start-up club rules (against the wishes of the AFL, incidentally), a revered club figure dying and being fined $500,000 for not being found guilty of tanking.

I think we've had plenty of things impact multiple players which were entirely out of the clubs control. It's just a matter of overcoming the ridiculous bias that Eddie and Co. have managed to stir up and convince them to look at the facts instead of the spin.

so when do we hear from the commish?

1/2 hr before brownlow telecast should obscure it nicely

  On 22/09/2014 at 03:59, Little Goffy said:

Here we are, one of only two clubs in 20 years who missed out on a priority pick by winning one game too many and we missed it because we were blatantly tanked against by a club which has received more priority picks than any other.

Our total PP collection in the 'rebuild era' has been a single pick 1 and pick 17.

Collingwood got a top priority pick for a single bad year, with grand final appearances within three years on both sides of that selection.

Hawthorn built their premiership list on tanking and hitting the jackpot with their selection.

West Coast systematically and blatantly tanked for three years, screwing it up in the middle but earning two end-of-first-round selections along the way, and like Collingwood made top-4 appearances within a few years either side.

Carlton... well, they have three start-of-first-round priority picks on their list today, and let's face it, they would be in more trouble than even we are without Murphy and Gibbs.

Meanwhile, here we are, rebuilding a gutted list as a result of the disasterous recruiting and list management of Prendergast and Schwab and a string of tragic or maddening events beyond our reasonable control.

They say we don't 'deserve' it, they say we need to 'build culture' first. Well, everything that can be credibly done about that is being done. We are showing that we are an organised football club again and headed in the right direction.

But, we can't just magically conjure up the cattle to be realistically competitive. Our list is deeply deficient, with 'adequate for VFL' players getting games.

No matter how well we manage everything we can control, we need assistance in order to bridge that gap.

If my memory serves me correctly we are the only club to win 5 games and deny ourselves a PP and we did it TWICE - once against Carlton and once against Freo. Anyone confirm that?

  On 22/09/2014 at 07:03, old dee said:

Umm so was our ours sd

Do you not think MC blind-sighted us?

Will be a pick at the start of round 2 is my thinking

  On 22/09/2014 at 07:33, BIG JIM said:

Will be a pick at the start of round 2 is my thinking

I think thats what the club is summising also. Could/has to be be instantly traded( traded for someone) , maybe to the Filth for Harry I reckon. I sense thats how it might pan out

  On 22/09/2014 at 07:33, BIG JIM said:

Will be a pick at the start of round 2 is my thinking

That's using the "vibe" defence clause the AFL have up their sleeves.

If he's getting what is reported it has to be pick 3 according to the rules they came up with, right?

Edit- there is a formula in place that deals with compo based on things we will qualify for. How could the AFL change that at their own discretion?