Clearly you're against capital punishment.

Why?

Only because of trade bait. Otherwise, no.

I'm with Jumbo. Coach killers who already have Neeld's and Bailey's scalps. If Roos, Jackson and coaching staff don't act on them at the end of the year they will get the same tarnish as their predecessors and next year will be the same this one or last year or the year before that .

If you keep repeating the same practices you will keep getting the same outcomes.

Genuine question: who are the coachkillers? Can you list some, and why? Not just the poor players who try hard (Spencer?), but coachkillers.

Genuine question: who are the coachkillers? Can you list some, and why? Not just the poor players who try hard (Spencer?), but coachkillers.

Frawley,and has been for years,lazy and only works when he feels like it.Coaches think they have a beauty until he decides to have an average week.

Thank christ the other coach killer went to surf in cottesloe WA.

As it happens I like Spence so that might give you a clue on one of them but that's as far as I go. I actually like blokes who hold chest marks and kick goals from 25 metres out directly in front. Re the others, its the other senior blokes who turn up to play "sometimes", not every week like the good sides and I felt Roosys presser kind of touched on it in terms of some of our more senior players going back to the "here we go again" mentality and dropping off.

I actually watch other teams play and most weekends watch some good footy from most clubs.

After this week I am going to watch the best teams play for my own enjoyment. The Melbourne Football Club can get stuffed. I am over watching B grade football at this club for 2014.

We have so many bad footballers on our list it is just a waste of time until we recruit game breakers and speedsters to entertain us.

As Mark Neeld put it......It is what it is!!!! We are garbage

Apparently, Brazil wants to bring criminal charges against its players. It's high time we did the same. For mine incarceration and hard labour are the only answers. And floggings BBO.

shot at dawn for a week would be too merciful

If St Kilda Win two maybe Bulldogs and Brisbane we will finish last Think about It!

Saints won't finish above us. We will probably be 17th.

What about refinancing the cases scorpions as part of the total spend so that our player contracts are based on our players performance levels. How our players value can currently be the same as other teams Geelong Fremantle Hawthorn as salary cap requires is beyond me

Players may have an unrealistic expectation of their power if they are economically rewarded too highly this can result in their failure to react to instructors etc

Some cold hard facts need to be communicated to the entire squad I hope PJ andPR know how to do this

Jazzy, when I think of blokes that were shelved like Jnr, Greene, Davey, and then I watch Watts on the weekend I can't find reason...watts is not in the same rung as those champions. Yes they were at the end but what they stood for was effort and heart and Watts doesn't have that.

Green and Davey are your examples, really?

Those two were less pushed than walking. And the club was better for it.

Robbo, Whelan, White, Yze and obviously McDonald - these are the guys who shouldn't have been kicked until they wanted to go.

As it happens I like Spence so that might give you a clue on one of them but that's as far as I go. I actually like blokes who hold chest marks and kick goals from 25 metres out directly in front. Re the others, its the other senior blokes who turn up to play "sometimes", not every week like the good sides and I felt Roosys presser kind of touched on it in terms of some of our more senior players going back to the "here we go again" mentality and dropping off.

Quite right. I don't think Watts went in as hard as he should have yesterday, but unlike the others he was doing his job by leading and running. Yet he's the first one we turn the torch onto, as Roosy said, because he's Jack Watts.

Yesterday, players like Frawley, McDonald, Bail and Matt Jones were the ones who didn't perform and yet they get off lighter.

Green and Davey are your examples, really?

Those two were less pushed than walking. And the club was better for it.

Robbo, Whelan, White, Yze and obviously McDonald - these are the guys who shouldn't have been kicked until they wanted to go.

Robbo was useless in the end. Should have gone 1 year earlier. Possibly White and Ooze as well. Wheels' body was shot. Junior and perhaps Brad Miller were the only 2 that could've been kept.

http://m.afl.com.au/news/2014-07-15/lenny-lingy-the-coaches?utm_medium=RSS

Was having a scroll through this then came upon them talking about the dees.

There is a footage of Roosy trying to rev the boys up from the weekends game. Only to see one Jack Watts paying no attention whatsoever and looking elsewhere. To me it is evident who does not give a stuff about his football or coach.

Should be giving roosy the death stare and focusing instead his head is in la la land.

Pull ya head in jack! Right to this point your nothing but a waste of talent and a major disappointment!

Seriously need to bite the bullet and trade him out at years end.

Go straight to 2:25

^ flat out ridiculous post.

^ flat out ridiculous post.

How so machsy?

Would you see a luke hodge or Joel Selwood staring somewhere else when the coach is trying to bark instructions and rev the boys up?

The fact that its evident he is not one bit concentrating proves why he is a major disappointment.

Or maybe he is concentrating and your powers of mind reading are non-existent.

Or maybe he is concentrating and your powers of mind reading are non-existent.

Thats the best you can come up with.

How so machsy?

Would you see a luke hodge or Joel Selwood staring somewhere else when the coach is trying to bark instructions and rev the boys up?

The fact that its evident he is not one bit concentrating proves why he is a major disappointment.

Are you aware how stupid all this is?

You've seen the 2 whole seconds of footage, where Watts is focused with arms crossed and facing in Roos' general direction during an address, where Roos is predominantly facing away from Watts.

What the hell are you expecting from Watts?

I can't even figure out the stupidity required to think he has done something wrong here.

Is he staring somewhere else? Are you sure? Doesn't look like it to me.

If he is, what is wrong with that? Are all players seriously expected to stare into the coach's eyes in your book?

Does that therefore mean he is not listening?

Is it really "evident he is not one bit concentrating"? What utter rubbish!

What makes you so certain he is "paying not attention whatsoever"??

To extrapolate all of this supposition into Watts not "giving a stuff about his football or coach" is laughable.

How do we know he isn't thinking about some direct individual feedback he has received only seconds before?

How do you even know the address is relevant to something that Watts has influence over?

But instead you make the incredible leap to his "head being in la la land."

Idiotic mountains out of insignificant molehills.

Think FFS.

http://m.afl.com.au/news/2014-07-15/lenny-lingy-the-coaches?utm_medium=RSS

Was having a scroll through this then came upon them talking about the dees.

There is a footage of Roosy trying to rev the boys up from the weekends game. Only to see one Jack Watts paying no attention whatsoever and looking elsewhere. To me it is evident who does not give a stuff about his football or coach.

Should be giving roosy the death stare and focusing instead his head is in la la land.

Pull ya head in jack! Right to this point your nothing but a waste of talent and a major disappointment!

Seriously need to bite the bullet and trade him out at years end.

Go straight to 2:25

Long bow there, dd36.....

Are you aware how stupid all this is?

You've seen the 2 whole seconds of footage, where Watts is focused with arms crossed and facing in Roos' general direction during an address, where Roos is predominantly facing away from Watts.

What the hell are you expecting from Watts?

I can't even figure out the stupidity required to think he has done something wrong here.

Is he staring somewhere else? Are you sure? Doesn't look like it to me.

If he is, what is wrong with that? Are all players seriously expected to stare into the coach's eyes in your book?

Does that therefore mean he is not listening?

Is it really "evident he is not one bit concentrating"? What utter rubbish!

What makes you so certain he is "paying not attention whatsoever"??

To extrapolate all of this supposition into Watts not "giving a stuff about his football or coach" is laughable.

How do we know he isn't thinking about some direct individual feedback he has received only seconds before?

How do you even know the address is relevant to something that Watts has influence over?

But instead you make the incredible leap to his "head being in la la land."

Idiotic mountains out of insignificant molehills.

Think FFS.

What is wrong with staring somewhere else when the coach is giving instruction!?

FFS you cannot be serious!??

I went to a coaching seminar at the start of this year where David Parkin was a guest speaker. He said you know your players are ready and focused when all eyes are firmly on him and no where else.

Enough said.

dazzle... Christmas (early) in July?

The snippet of vision aside, surely a player can take 'the vibe' and run with it any way they can/want.

What is wrong with staring somewhere else when the coach is giving instruction!?

FFS you cannot be serious!??

I went to a coaching seminar at the start of this year where David Parkin was a guest speaker. He said you know your players are ready and focused when all eyes are firmly on him and no where else.

Enough said.

You are kidding, surely!

How exactly do you propose Watts makes eye contact with Roos in the 2nd of the 2 seconds of footage?

He'd have to physically move 3m to his left just to be able to see Roos' eyes.

You're trying to make it sound like he was looking at a 90 degree angle to where Roos was situated.

Watts' focus is fixed about 20cm from Roos' eyes at the most, by my reckoning.

As far as I'm concerned, if Watts is listening and taking in the message, it is irrelevant where his eyes lay.

As dictated by common bloody sense.

Btw, any chance you noticed if any other players were not maintaining eye contact with Roos for those 2 seconds..?

http://m.afl.com.au/news/2014-07-15/lenny-lingy-the-coaches?utm_medium=RSS

Was having a scroll through this then came upon them talking about the dees.

There is a footage of Roosy trying to rev the boys up from the weekends game. Only to see one Jack Watts paying no attention whatsoever and looking elsewhere. To me it is evident who does not give a stuff about his football or coach.

Should be giving roosy the death stare and focusing instead his head is in la la land.

Pull ya head in jack! Right to this point your nothing but a waste of talent and a major disappointment!

Seriously need to bite the bullet and trade him out at years end.

Go straight to 2:25

McDonald is staring blankly into the stands and Nathan Jones is staring at Chris Dawes' shoes...

Are you really judging his desire on 2 seconds of cut away footage?

As a captain who does those speeches every game - all players react different ways to what is being said and their attentions and facial expressions are as meaningless as you have taken meaning in Watts'.

You want eyes all the time, but holding grudges against the occasional wander is self-defeating - it's the kind of crap I heard Neeld was fond of to be perfectly honest with you.

Maybe the supporters and players need to take on roosy's meditation methods

Overreaching dd. I share your frustration with Watts, believe me, but canning him on that few seconds of footage is a step too far.

AF, Bailey, is the best coach we've had in the last decade. Our recruitment has been s#it

In the last decade our coaches (excluding temporary fill ins) have been Neale Daniher, Dean Bailey, Mark Neeld and Paul Roos.

Now you've had some time to think, do you still put Dean Bailey at the top of that list? If so, why?