Personal abuse doest help your case!

No, but I don't think your response was called for either.

• Tommy Mac had a shocker...no confidence to run off Lynch either so that added to our lack of drive out of the back half.
• McKenzies disposal is woeful. but man he tries hard. and the effort is there. he's simply just not good enough.
• Momentum killing umpires! some really awful calls today
• Gary Jnr lifts when he needs to 4 posis in the first qtr. then said right! let me at it...
• We cant tackle. But for Bail, Dawes, Frawls and Dunn at times.....Viney/Jetta with no tackles is staggering.

  I almost flipped my spoons when after Jonesy kicked that stirring snap goal out of a contest and was all up and about. 'ROTATION' saw N.Jones, Viney and Vince all come to the bench.

  In that very next center bounce we ended up with Spencer, Jordie Mac, Pederson and Cross....

  I MEAN SERIOUSLY!!!!! How the fk were we going to WIN a clearance.

Bang bang. Gold coast goals....

Game over....

the thing that frustrated me about watts is he couldnt lay a tackle.

We didnt man up to often Gc just coasted with no pressure. We could hardly get it out of our defensive 50 yet Gc could. We didnt man up enough.

Gc should have put us away a lot earlier but it was frustrating to lose by 8 points when we to had chances. Yes we may have been given a goal that wasnt a goal but last week Dawes was kicking them from outside 60 today he missed 4 including one form 20 metres out. But its good he is getting games under his belt.

I noticed today spencer tapping the hitouts to the suns attacking side why? he did it int he last quarter near the boundary and ablett just ran straight onto it and kicked it into the 50.

McDonald got well beaten today so I hope he is ready or Buddy next week,

Love seeing Viney crash the packs.

But we didnt bring the same intensity as we bought last week. There wasnt enough pressure put on the suns like we did with Carlton and this was the most disappointing thing,

Back to 17th spot on the ladder. Carlton just jumped us.

Today I really saw how badly an AFL level crumbing forward with footy smarts is needed, the lack of fit KPF's isn't the only problem.

Nathan Jones is getting better every week. He is unbelievable! Surely AA this year.

On days like today you get to see just how good he is. He should make the squad at least. He's a [censored] gun.

Hey Seraph were you at the game did you watch him jog around all afternoon If you were not there then you cannot possibly comment

I'm there every single week.

• I almost flipped my spoons when after Jonesy kicked that stirring snap goal out of a contest and was all up and about. 'ROTATION' saw N.Jones, Viney and Vince all come to the bench.

  In that very next center bounce we ended up with Spencer, Jordie Mac, Pederson and Cross....

  I MEAN SERIOUSLY!!!!! How the fk were we going to WIN a clearance.

Game over....

I'm glad someone else noticed this... I was tearing my hair out @#$$%^&*^%$%#%$##$%@

• Tommy Mac had a shocker...no confidence to run off Lynch either so that added to our lack of drive out of the back half.
• McKenzies disposal is woeful. but man he tries hard. and the effort is there. he's simply just not good enough.
• Momentum killing umpires! some really awful calls today
• Gary Jnr lifts when he needs to 4 posis in the first qtr. then said right! let me at it...
• We cant tackle. But for Bail, Dawes, Frawls and Dunn at times.....Viney/Jetta with no tackles is staggering.

  I almost flipped my spoons when after Jonesy kicked that stirring snap goal out of a contest and was all up and about. 'ROTATION' saw N.Jones, Viney and Vince all come to the bench.

  In that very next center bounce we ended up with Spencer, Jordie Mac, Pederson and Cross....

  I MEAN SERIOUSLY!!!!! How the fk were we going to WIN a clearance.

Bang bang. Gold coast goals....

Game over....

That clearance killed me. The lack or organisation was so costly.

Spencer ran into the ruck when Pedo was already there and it was an absolute disaster.

Nathan Jones is an A grade star. He is no Ablett but he is right up there with many of the best mids in the game. He is too important to ever put in a negative tagging role.

Some observations:

They pressured our back half and we struggled to find a way out of defense. Why did it take until the last seconds of the game for a torpedo down to guts to break things up?

We chased tail and didn't man up most of the second quarter. Looked like the days of Neild. Block space, let the opposition run around you.

Watts did a great job at one point covering the interchange, cutting off easy options for a kick out of half backust . He does some smart things, but then let's himself down (badly) at others.

jones. Just Mr N Jones.

Dunn had a shocker.

Pedo ran into space well. Once.

We are lucky they were inaccurate. It could have been painful at half time if they capitalised on their opportunities.

The umpiring WTF? 15 m for them and not us? That crappy free kick to Ablett? Come on.

Beaten in almost every stat.

How was it only 8 points?

A few rare glimpses of possibility. We need to play the game plan, back ourselves and go for it. We are highly susceptible to pressure, which top teams will apply like a vice.

On days like today you get to see just how good he is. He should make the squad at least. He's a [censored] gun.

Deadset workhorse who gives his all every week, I dream of the day where the 22 all work that hard.

the thing that frustrated me about watts is he couldnt lay a tackle.

Actually, Watts laid 3 tackles. That was 3 more than Jetta, Viney, Spencer, Grimes and Terlich. Combined.

Another example of how people just see what they want to see with Watts, whilst there are plenty of other underperformers in the side who don't come under the same scrutiny.

Interesting that Tyson was subbed off he had about 13 possessions for 51% of time on ground, not the worst out there. Dawes and Howe need to do better with their set shots, they should not be missing some of those close in shots for goal. JKH needs more game time, he is putting in and trying and is well worth persevering with, he will get better in time. I love Frawley down forward and believe he has to stay there, even with hogan and dawes. Maybe howe moves to the wing but he needs to deliver much more than what he is doing at the moment. I am absolutely lost to understand why we do not see more barrels out from the backline up the centre to howe and possibly watts, kicking dinky little kicks to contests or worse direct to the opposition kill up. that last goal today was gold and needs to be part of our repertoire.

I hope Roos can make these guys understand the need to move the ball on quickly and the need to man up. I dont believe the Suns were all that much quicker than we were, it was just that a lot of the time our guys were 5-10 meters behind them, that makes it awfully hard to catch them up. I still believe man on man football and cut out ALL easy ball gets and tackle at every opportunity is the only way to play.

Jack Viney was a positive - He and Chunk are the only midfielders that play with any intensity. The rest were asleep for the first half.

I freaking hope so. Deserves so much more respect in the AFL community than he gets.

He would have Tonnes of respect in the AFL community. no doubt about it. Just because hacks like Barret and Robbo dont talk about him doesnt mean opposition players and coaches arent. He would be well recognised by those that matter. Do not make the mistake of confusing media hacks with the "AFL community "

Actually, Watts laid 3 tackles. That was 3 more than Jetta, Viney, Spencer, Grimes and Terlich. Combined.

Another example of how people just see what they want to see with Watts, whilst there are plenty of other underperformers in the side who don't come under the same scrutiny.

Can look at stats all you want. The fact that a few other spuds couldn't lay a tackle don't make Jack's 'efforts' any better.

Can look at stats all you want. The fact that a few other spuds couldn't lay a tackle don't make Jack's 'efforts' any better.

Viney didn't lay a tackle.

I'm not saying he played badly, but he still has limitations, mainly caused by his lack of tank.

Actually, Watts laid 3 tackles. That was 3 more than Jetta, Viney, Spencer, Grimes and Terlich. Combined.

Another example of how people just see what they want to see with Watts, whilst there are plenty of other underperformers in the side who don't come under the same scrutiny.

I saw Jack Watts lay a tackle (if gently hugging your opponent counts as a tackle). After the tackle he fell over onto the ground, then slowly got up and started taking a leisurely Sunday stroll along the grass--even though the ball was probably 10 feet away and still in dispute. Does that count?

Actually, Watts laid 3 tackles. That was 3 more than Jetta, Viney, Spencer, Grimes and Terlich. Combined.

Another example of how people just see what they want to see with Watts, whilst there are plenty of other underperformers in the side who don't come under the same scrutiny.

Another example of just looking at the stats sheet and not the game.

I am absolutely lost to understand why we do not see more barrels out from the backline up the centre to howe and possibly watts, kicking dinky little kicks to contests or worse direct to the opposition kill up. that last goal today was gold and needs to be part of our repertoire.

Because it's a risky play. By doing that, you're putting the ball in contest again; their players are just as likely to mark it as ours. In comparison to controlling the ball out of the back half, it's fraught with danger. Going coast to coast in three kicks looked sweet and the situation called for it (I'm assuming the players did not know how long there was to go), but if we'd been ahead - or there'd been more time on the clock - and Dunn did a kick like that from full back, I'd have throttled him.

It's a strategy that has its place, but only in real "roll of the dice" scenarios.

Actually, Watts laid 3 tackles. That was 3 more than Jetta, Viney, Spencer, Grimes and Terlich. Combined.

Another example of how people just see what they want to see with Watts, whilst there are plenty of other underperformers in the side who don't come under the same scrutiny.

yes I know some players didnt get tackles but watts missed some easy ones that he would usually get. he wasnt the only one that missed things today.

- a dismal second quarter cost us the game, however 8 points was flattery. we were awful. Against hawthorn it would have been 20 goals
- tyson and watts were pathetic. McDonald was uncharacteristically pantsed
- can anybody stick a tackle that actually stops his opponent from disposing of the ball?
- how many years do we have to watch a pathetic result from kick-ins both in defense and offense?
- our ability overall to take mark even under the slightest pressure was non-existent
- the umpiring sucked, the pinnacle of which was gifting ablett a free inside 50 while the game wa still alive
- N.Jones and Viney were good - Frawley, Dawes, Grimes, Howe and Vince were OK. The other 15 were rubbish.
- McKenzie sucks hard.
- extremely frustrating game to watch, hated every minute of it, cannot see at this stage where any improvement is coming from

Howe could do with a run in the Ressies.

I thought we were lucky not to get done by 10+ goals

Howe could do with a run in the Ressies.

Ain't think there are a lot in the queue before him. Was reasonable today I thought. Think the backline spell may be at an end

cannot see at this stage where any improvement is coming from

lol. We lost by 8 points. Given where we've come from, the improvement has already come from somewhere. Perhaps it'll keep coming from the same place.