The leadership group - does size matter?

[Whispering_Jack 29,246]

Chris Dawes says he would like to be part of the club's leadership group which is being worked through by Leading Teams in conjunction with the football department Dawes puts his hand up to lead Dees

In the article, he says that he would like to see the LG reduced in size from last year's nine.

I tend to think he's right but wonder at what the ideal number should be (if indeed there is in fact an ideal number).

[Sir Why You Little 36,670]

Depends how many Leaders are on our list.

Real leaders who take to it naturally.

Chris Dawes does. You only have to listen to him speak.

I don't believe people learn to be a leader. People learn from leaders.

You either have it or you do not.

[Whispering_Jack 29,246]

I don't believe people learn to be a leader. People learn from leaders.

You either have it or you do not.

By any chance, did you do any scriptwriting while you were at the ABC?

[dee-luded 2,959]

does size matter?

no!!! Shitt matters... pick one who has theirs together, & displays Plenty of it, out on the field. one who gets down & dirty, gets under the pack & gets up their noses.

one who does it all with a No fuss attitude

one who'll bulldog the opposition, & then jump up to run to advantage while burning on the inside.

No more gentlemen. its not enough.

bring back the biff Demons.

[Sir Why You Little 36,670]

By any chance, did you do any scriptwriting while you were at the ABC?

Nope. Just telling it like it is

[daisycutter 29,343]

Nope. Just telling it like it is

what about copy wriitng then?

[Sir Why You Little 36,670]

what about copy wriitng then?

Copy Writing i have done yes. But not at the ABC. They don't have ads.....yet!!

[Machsy 2,858]

5, 6 or 7 is ideal. No more.

Byrnes won't be there, that's for sure.

[Akum 2,660]

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In the article, he says that he would like to see the LG reduced in size from last year's nine.

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Sorry, couldn't help but notice that there are only eight players on the banner at the top of the page, and Dawes isn't one of them.

[Gorgoroth 12,712]

3-6 maximum, I think a captain, vc, dvc and 3 within the group. I'd be happy with 4 tbh.

[Sir Why You Little 36,670]

3-6 maximum, I think a captain, vc, dvc and 3 within the group. I'd be happy with 4 tbh.

I agree. I like the idea of a smaller LG. Less personalities to deal with.

That's not to say certain "outside" players cannot be involved at times. But Leaders should be well defined as just that.

[Maldonboy38 6,387]

How about this:

• Captain
• Forward leader
• Midfield Leader
• Defense Leader
• Younger player being 'apprenticed'.

This would equate to:

• Grimes
• Dawes
• Jones
• Garland
• Viney

[Demon trucker 1,800]

Captain vc worked forever thats it

[daisycutter 29,343]

Copy Writing i have done yes. But not at the ABC. They don't have ads.....yet!!

no, but they do have plenty of "internal" ads (either on-air on on-web)l

Edited January 7, 2014 by daisycutter

[Bedraggled Dee 336]

No is the answer to the topic. In an ideal world the entire team would be comprised of people who displayed good leadership skills but thats probably unreaslistic. I dont care how many captains we have or how many other official leaders we provided that translates to on field and off field leadership that drives and sets high standards amongst the entire playing group.

I recon Grimes shows all the qualities of a great captain and should be retained in that role. Jones probably deserves to be rewarded but I think being VC for ter Melbourne football club is an honour.

[dpositive 1,652]

No is the answer to the topic. In an ideal world the entire team would be comprised of people who displayed good leadership skills but thats probably unreaslistic. I dont care how many captains we have or how many other official leaders we provided that translates to on field and off field leadership that drives and sets high standards amongst the entire playing group.

I recon Grimes shows all the qualities of a great captain and should be retained in that role. Jones probably deserves to be rewarded but I think being VC for ter Melbourne football club is an honour.

I agree that No is the answer but for different reasons.

Good teams are made up of a mix of types, many and varied. In my studies and in the interests of simplicity we reduced the team mix to Doers. Thinkers , Carers and Leaders.

To many or all of one type will be a problem. All doers will mean that something is done wether its right or wrong, all Carers and whatever is done will probably be done slowly and with no risks taken, all Thinkers and it whatever is done will be well supported and done right

Leaders usually accommodate all types, able to step in and support whichever phase is needed as well as providing some vision and direction for the thinking, doing, caring. Yes it is good to have the flexibility of leaders but all leaders will also cause problems as the tasks are ignored due to persoanl direction.

All types need the support of others to achieve the goals desired and all teams need the blend of types to achieve what is desired.

A back line leader, a mid field leader , a forward leader could be fine if all have defined responsibilities and a clear combined direction.

I hope that our leaders PJ and PR have the skills to identify, promote and support the structure needed to fulfill our desires.

[Dinosaur Rover 197]

Quality not quantity

[Demon trucker 1,800]

Some are thinking way to hard on this, that's why i dropped out of business management,at uni

[Bedraggled Dee 336]

I agree that No is the answer but for different reasons.

Good teams are made up of a mix of types, many and varied. In my studies and in the interests of simplicity we reduced the team mix to Doers. Thinkers , Carers and Leaders.

To many or all of one type will be a problem. All doers will mean that something is done wether its right or wrong, all Carers and whatever is done will probably be done slowly and with no risks taken, all Thinkers and it whatever is done will be well supported and done right

Leaders usually accommodate all types, able to step in and support whichever phase is needed as well as providing some vision and direction for the thinking, doing, caring. Yes it is good to have the flexibility of leaders but all leaders will also cause problems as the tasks are ignored due to persoanl direction.

All types need the support of others to achieve the goals desired and all teams need the blend of types to achieve what is desired.

A back line leader, a mid field leader , a forward leader could be fine if all have defined responsibilities and a clear combined direction.

I hope that our leaders PJ and PR have the skills to identify, promote and support the structure needed to fulfill our desires.

I think leaders can exist in all shapes and forms and leadership can manifest itself in all sorts of ways, even the most introverted and timid person can show leadership through their actions while not being a leader in the traditional sense. I maintain that an effective team is comprised of people who all display leadership. Every player in a football team needs to take the initiative and shoulder the responsibility when required and that is why I think they all need to be leaders. Who and how many get placed in formal leadership roles is in my opinion the last block to be put in place and not as important.

The problem at the MFC has not IMO been player leadership but coaching leadership, appropriate development and a half decent game plan that can be executed by the available players. Jones is a leader regardless of whether he is appointed Captain or not. Jones being Captain last year instead of Trengove and Grimes would not have made a blind bit of difference to the outcome. Its the underlying fundamentals that need to be fixed. Luckily it appears that PJ is doing that.