Matt Scharenberg

[Spin-it-to-Goodwin-it 579]

Could Scharenberg be the player the Dee's have lined up for pick 2, if a trade doesn't eventuate?

Perhaps GWS know this and are wanting to tempt us off him with a trade of someone more developed. I also think we are bull-dusting about trading pick 2 out.

My sense is that Scharenberg might go alright in the midfield, and is super talented with a build that will hold up to the hurley-burley way better than Kelly or Aish....even long term.

[Swampfox 190]

IMO he is the "safest pick" in this years draft

Does everything really well

I really doubt we will overlook a midfielder at pick 2

Would be shocked if he was still there at 20

[Spin-it-to-Goodwin-it 579]

IMO he is the "safest pick" in this years draft

Does everything really well

I really doubt we will overlook a midfielder at pick 2

Would be shocked if he was still there at 20

So who are we believing that says that he is not a capable midfielder. Is it simply that he was played in the Backline during the year? Because if that's the reason everybody needs to go read the guide on how to pull off a Jack Darling stooge part 2

He's a star - potentially played out of position, potentially on purpose

[What 18,810]

Scharenberg will become a Goddard type player through the midfield.

Would love him at the Demons, would take him ahead of Aish.

[Swampfox 190]

So who are we believing that says that he is not a capable midfielder. Is it simply that he was played in the Backline during the year? Because if that's the reason everybody needs to go read the guide on how to pull off a Jack Darling stooge part 2

He's a star - potentially played out of position, potentially on purpose

Never said he couldnt become one

He doesnt look like an inside mid to me and that is exactly what we need

In reality outside mids are a dime a dozen with some being better than others

We all know why Darling wasnt picked and it wasnt his football ability

Dayle Garlett was overlooked last year and everyone knows the kid has talent

I thought that the prime objective was on INSIDE midfileders

Aish , Kelly are outside mids at present

Dom Sheedy and Matt Crouch are both Inside Mids

Scharenberg could become anything but a bit early to call him a star

Would not be dissapointed if we picked him

I wouldnt be surprised that he went ahead of Boyd at pick 1

There is no guarrantee we will have pick 2 come Draft day

[Spin-it-to-Goodwin-it 579]

We all know why Darling wasnt picked and it wasnt his football ability

Are you sure about that? Thought it was common knowledge that West Coast pulled a swiftey, by making things seem worse than they were

[Spin-it-to-Goodwin-it 579]

Scharenberg will become a Goddard type player through the midfield

WOuld love him at the Demons, would take him ahead of Aish

People will underestimate Scharenberg's value at their own peril - let's just hope it isn't us.

[rjay 23,912]

Are you sure about that? Thought it was common knowledge that West Coast pulled a swiftey, by making things seem worse than they were

It's the conventional wisdom that they put a bit of mayo (may or may not be true) on the story but they still didn't pick him up until their 2nd round selection so they were taking a gamble there. I think his form dropped off in his last year at 18's level and this had a bit to do with him dropping back also. Can happen with big kids, recruiters seem to have different views at different time. Prime example was Grundy dropping through to the Pies last draft.

[rjay 23,912]

People will underestimate Scharenberg's value at their own peril - let's just hope it isn't us.

I don't think anyone is underestimating him but at this stage we only have one first round pick. Who do we take? If we want a good all round talent then it's Scharenberg, Class it's Aish, Kelly for a bit of class, clean skills, run all day, is good in and out (no matter what people say they are only looking at pix think him a skinny outside & not watching him play), best inside clearance player and mongrel is Crouch.

[Spin-it-to-Goodwin-it 579]

It's the conventional wisdom that they put a bit of mayo (may or may not be true) on the story but they still didn't pick him up until their 2nd round selection so they were taking a gamble there. I think his form dropped off in his last year at 18's level and this had a bit to do with him dropping back also. Can happen with big kids, recruiters seem to have different views at different time. Prime example was Grundy dropping through to the Pies last draft.

The pies also being master manipulators....with a key being Rendell's mentoring role he had with Grundy whilst in the SA u18's, and probably the other SA boys they drafted: http://www.afl.com.au/news/2012-06-17/draft-hope-a-matchwinner

[spirit of norm smith 12,912]

we must keep this thread as a hot item ... if we keep #2, Scharenberg would be hard to overlook

[rjay 23,912]

The pies also being master manipulators....with a key being Rendell's mentoring role he had with Grundy whilst in the SA u18's, and probably the other SA boys they drafted: http://www.afl.com.au/news/2012-06-17/draft-hope-a-matchwinner

No manipulation here, just the idea that a key tall needs development time. This is only the case with some, the really good ones can make an impact in their first couple of years. Think Brown & Cloke for example and we will see it with Hogan next year I'm sure.

Grundy was taken at pick 18 because of this flawed thinking from most clubs, they got a bargain. A lot of Demonlanders wanted us to take Grundy last year, I think Richmond even though they got a good one in Vlustuin would have been better served with Grundy.

[Spin-it-to-Goodwin-it 579]

No manipulation here, just the idea that a key tall needs development time. This is only the case with some, the really good ones can make an impact in their first couple of years. Think Brown & Cloke for example and we will see it with Hogan next year I'm sure.

Grundy was taken at pick 18 because of this flawed thinking from most clubs, they got a bargain. A lot of Demonlanders wanted us to take Grundy last year, I think Richmond even though they got a good one in Vlustuin would have been better served with Grundy.

So do you think that the draft hasn't ever been tampered with? Clean as a whistle?

[DeeSpencer 23,134]

No manipulation here, just the idea that a key tall needs development time. This is only the case with some, the really good ones can make an impact in their first couple of years. Think Brown & Cloke for example and we will see it with Hogan next year I'm sure.

Grundy was taken at pick 18 because of this flawed thinking from most clubs, they got a bargain. A lot of Demonlanders wanted us to take Grundy last year, I think Richmond even though they got a good one in Vlustuin would have been better served with Grundy.

Grundy will likely be a better player than Vlastuin but I think the reason clubs like Richmond and North overlooked him was needs based. No one could've expected him to do so well in year one and even still he doesn't look quite good enough to be the second ruck and forward. It's a bit number 1 or bust when Richmond have Maric, North have Goldstein.

Ruck I think is one position that needs based drafting makes sense. Because unless they will be a real steal they'll end up in your 2's for a few years if you've got a good number 1. Brisbane are having that problem now with Longer.

The club that inexplicably passed multiple times on Grundy was GWS. Considering they also skipped Longer the year before it's a very strange decision. I wonder (being a bit of a different style unit) if his interview with GWS went particularly poorly

[rjay 23,912]

So do you think the draft hasn't been tampered with ever? Clean as a whistle?

I'm sure it has over the years but it's a lot harder to hide someone away these days with so many full time recruiters at clubs plus their spotters. I don't think tampering had anything to do with Grundy getting to Collingwood though, he was available for all to see and his form was excellent so he didn't lay down. Clubs just passed him over. Darling, everyone passed over. If the Eagles were playing games then they held their nerve well in leaving him until the 2nd round.

Grundy will likely be a better player than Vlastuin but I think the reason clubs like Richmond and North overlooked him was needs based. No one could've expected him to do so well in year one and even still he doesn't look quite good enough to be the second ruck and forward. It's a bit number 1 or bust when Richmond have Maric, North have Goldstein.

Ruck I think is one position that needs based drafting makes sense. Because unless they will be a real steal they'll end up in your 2's for a few years if you've got a good number 1. Brisbane are having that problem now with Longer.

The club that inexplicably passed multiple times on Grundy was GWS. Considering they also skipped Longer the year before it's a very strange decision. I wonder (being a bit of a different style unit) if his interview with GWS went particularly poorly

I think your logic is good here 'master' and I was surprised that GWS didn't pick him up. Grundy did show at 18's level that he was a good resting forward and would have been a handy pick up for the Tiges, Maric is a good honest player but Grundy will be a beauty.

One key indicator to me for a big bloke at junior level is how he attacks the ball, a lot of them just bank on their size to do the job and this is why they take time to develop at AFL level but Grundy hit the ball hard and had some mongrel (a bit like Hogan), he was always going to come on quickly at senior level.

Besides all that I was so p...off the Collingwood picked him up at 18, shouldn't have happened.

[Nascent 7,258]

Anyone think there is an outside chance that Scharenberg could slide to us? Group think and arm chair experts like myself think the top 5 are locked in place with Bontempelli touted as pick 6 (I'm not so convinced). I don't think it's outside the realms of possibility that Scharenberg could slip through to us depending on individual club rankings. I personally think Scharenberg would be a good fit at the dogs and could see Aish slipping out of the top 5. Man I'm going to be so bored after November.

1. Boyd

2. Kelly

3. Billings

4. Aish

5. KK

6. ??

7. ??

8. McDonald

9. ????

[rjay 23,912]

Anyone think there is an outside chance that Scharenberg could slide to us? Group think and arm chair experts like myself think the top 5 are locked in place with Bontempelli touted as pick 6 (I'm not so convinced). I don't think it's outside the realms of possibility that Scharenberg could slip through to us depending on individual club rankings. I personally think Scharenberg would be a good fit at the dogs and could see Aish slipping out of the top 5. Man I'm going to be so bored after November.

1. Boyd

2. Kelly

3. Billings

4. Aish

5. KK

6. ??

7. ??

8. McDonald

9. ????

I would be very surprised if GWS don't pick up Scharenberg no matter what the draft experts are saying.

[stevethemanjordan 6,952]

I see Kelly being a slider and I don't reckon GWS will take him. Just a feeling.

[spirit of norm smith 12,912]

could Scharenberg slip to pick 9 ... I had Freeman as a lock for #9 BUT its a tough one if Scharenberg was available.

[1 red eye 1 blue eye 754]

I think the trigger finger would be real twitchy should Scharenberg be available at 9.

[whatwhat say what 18,945]

There's always 'bolters' and 'sliders' at this time of year.

At the moment it looks like KK, Bontempelli, Freeman and Lennon might be in the former category, and the two SA prospects, Aish and Scharenberg, might be in the latter.

It would surprise me enormously if either were available at pick 9 - for the last year they've been touted as 2 and 3 behind Boyd.

I guess we'll know for certain in under a month.

[InVINCEable 358]

Scharenberg has been compared to Goddard, and Freeman has been compared to Dangerfield.

Who would you pick out of those two?!

Freeman.

[rjay 23,912]

Scharenberg has been compared to Goddard, and Freeman has been compared to Dangerfield.

Who would you pick out of those two?!

Freeman.

The only problem is Freeman is really not like Dangerfield at all and the reason Scharenberg is compared to Goddard is his ability to play forward back or mid. I think Scharenberg is a more legit defender than Goddard but can play the other roles, if he was there at pick 9 you would take him. I still think he will go pick 2 to GWS.

[ChaserJ 3,964]

A lot of their strengths as juniors (Freeman and Dangerfield), were/are pretty similar. The main point of difference for mine is that Dangerfield has got greater height and size, which he’s learnt to use so well in close and in the air. In his draft year, Dangerfield played most of his football on the half back line, yet still was a big contested ball winner.

Patty Dangerfield’s profile in his draft year:

Patrick Dangerfield – Geelong Falcons, VIC, 186.9 cm, 82.8 kg, DOB 5/4/90

Honours

• Vic Metro representative - NAB AFL Under-18 Championships 2007
• AIS-AFL Academy graduate

NAB AFL Draft Camp highlights

• Repeat Sprints – 23.96 sec (2nd overall)
• Vertical Standing Jump – 73 cm (3rd overall)
• 20 m Sprint – 2.92 sec (7th overall)

Alan McConnell, AIS-AFL High Performance Coach says …

“Patrick has played his best football as a midfielder, although he’s played a range of positions over the last couple of years. He’s very quick and he’s grown about five centimetres and put on about 10 kilograms in the last 12 months, so in terms of how he presented physically a year ago at the under-16 nationals compared to what he’s like now; he’s a totally different lad.

“He has excellent speed, is quite courageous and more of an inside player than an outside player at this stage despite his pace. He is a strong-willed young man who has clear ideas and has good balance in his life. At this stage he’s still completing year 11 so he has another year of schooling to complete.”

With regards to Scharenberg slipping to 9, I still feel it’s unlikely, but I can see him getting as far as 6. Then Collingwood will have to decide which 2 players they want most with 6 and 10, and which ones are likely to get passed Brisbane and Melbourne. I think Bontempelli gets past us, Salem is a toss up. Brisbane could be the ones that knock the whole order around. If they elect to go with Cameron McCarthy as the best available key tall (and go with multiple mids in the second round), that will really shake up the draft order, and may deliver Scharenberg to us.

Edited November 4, 2013 by ChaserJ

[rjay 23,912]

A lot of their strengths as juniors (Freeman and Dangerfield), were/are pretty similar. The main point of difference for mine is that Dangerfield got greater height and size, which he’s learnt to use so well in close and in the air. In his draft year, Dangerfield played most of his football on the half back line, yet still was a big contested ball winner.

Patty Dangerfield’s profile in his draft year:

That's a big point of difference and it makes Dangerfield a very damaging forward like their ex skipper Roo was in his day.