Does the MFC deserve draft assistance?

[CBDees 3,162]

I'd prefer we got Sydney style support, an extra Million on the salary cap...

or GWS / GC style support unfettered access to any other clubs players...

or the favourable financial deals clubs out West get...

or the multiple night game, blockbusters that the"Big Four" Melbourne clubs get...

Etc...

And they complain about us being tossed a couple of early picks after 6 years in the doldrums.

An extra million on the salary cap would assist providing the AFL provided the AFL came up with the money (1/2 of which they ripped of us in any case)!

[CBDees 3,162]

Remind me who Glen McFarlane played for or what AFL team he coached? Why would the AFL listen to him?

[Crackers 67]

The mini draft was designed and inteded for GWS to top up their list with quality mature players and what did they end up doing? All they accepted for them was draft picks. They took the Suns' first pick each time for O'Meara and Martin. They took Adelaide's first pick for Crouch. They also took Melbourne's first pick and their second for Hogan and Barry.

So if the mini draft is going to be used to stockpile more picks there is no use ... might as well give clubs priority picks. Perhaps they just shouldn't give priority picks in the first round any more. Second round maximum which might entice a few more clubs to on trade them or they can use them to pick up a kid with out upsetting the rest of the competition too much either

[Redleg 37,891]

Yesterday did us no harm in the quest for AFL draft assistance.

Added to a 7 year period of failure and this year's pre Craig period of absolute catastrophic results, we can now add a record low of 19 inside 50's in a game.

This stat goes back to 1999. So that means in the last 14 years, we yesterday recorded the lowest amount of forward entries by a team.

The AFL said they will still give PP's or help according to the results of a couple of years at their discretion. Our position is far worse and much longer.

No one can mount a stronger case than us for help.

To not give that help to us, means effectively no club can ever get that help. I don't think the AFL wants to leave itself in that position in the future.

As to the help, a PP will give us a young kid. Look at yesterdays game, another young kid wouldn't have helped against the Cats big bodies.

Does that mean the AFL looks at different help? Maybe.

We have mentioned a mini draft situation before and a couple of mini draft selections are different, as they don't affect this draft and don't add extra picks to next year's. They also remove most of the other club's complaints about compromising the draft.

They also allow for trading for experienced players, plus draft position improvement. That can produce quicker results. That is clearly what the AFL would want, an immediate impact.

I can see us getting a couple of mini draft selections from the AFL at season's end.

[markc 975]

I agree re mini draft as already 2 of the best players are out of this draft and with GWS going on about trading pick 1, I cant see the afl giving us pick 1 as it was when most other PP prior to the first and second rounds.

[deanox 8,701]

What can you see us getting with the mini draft selections?

Last years mini draft were worth a top 3 draft pick, so what level quality of experienced players can we get for that?

Genuine stars are off limits, and would potentially go to gws for pick 1 anyway. So we are looking at second tier players.

I'd be happy to do it for a Taylor Adams or another young potential from expansion franchises, or would be interested in packaging it with pick 20 to get a better than second tier.

Mini draft and pick 20 for Dangerfield?

Mini draft for Adams?

What are the realistic possibles?

[deanox 8,701]

i agree re mini draft as already 2 of the best players are out of this draft

and with GWS going on about trading pick 1, I cant see the afl giving us pick 1

as it was when most other PP prior to the first and second rounds

This is a great pick up. I wonder if GWS have started doing all this crap to make it hard for the afl to give us a priority pick?

[rjay 23,948]

Yesterday did us no harm in the quest for AFL draft assistance.

Added to a 7 year period of failure and this year's pre Craig period of absolute catastrophic results, we can now add a record low of 19 inside 50's in a game.

This stat goes back to 1999. So that means in the last 14 years, we yesterday recorded the lowest amount of forward entries by a team.

The AFL said they will still give PP's or help according to the results of a couple of years at their discretion. Our position is far worse and much longer.

No one can mount a stronger case than us for help.

To not give that help to us, means effectively no club can ever get that help. I don't think the AFL wants to leave itself in that position in the future.

As to the help, a PP will give us a young kid. Look at yesterdays game, another young kid wouldn't have helped against the Cats big bodies.

Does that mean the AFL looks at different help? Maybe.

We have mentioned a mini draft situation before and a couple of mini draft selections are different, as they don't affect this draft and don't add extra picks to next year's. They also remove most of the other club's complaints about compromising the draft.

They also allow for trading for experienced players, plus draft position improvement. That can produce quicker results. That is clearly what the AFL would want, an immediate impact.

I can see us getting a couple of mini draft selections from the AFL at season's end.

'Redleg', the only problem I see with a mini draft is I'm not sure what clubs will be willing to give up to get the player. We might be better off taking the kids now and developing for the future. There would need to be some kind of fall back position if the right players are not put up.

One thing is for sure, we do need draft assistance now.

[Ted Lasso 16,922]

Omeara and hogan would have clubs softening to selecting these players

we could do very well

[Machsy 2,858]

I think the compulsory year in the 2s is rather enticing for clubs as it eases the development process.

Clem Smith looks a good bet.

Lachie Weller also.

Not sure who else is in that bracket, but the chance to pinch the prospective number 1 pick of next year on the relative cheap, is hard to pass up.

As for Voss and McCartney's whingeing, the Lions beat Geelong and the Dogs suffered a narrow loss.

They can GAGF.

[Machsy 2,858]

I'd also happily trade minidraft picks for top end picks this year.

I firmly believe we'd never get equivalent value in terms of mature players, and that we should look for these older players in FA and other trades.

Mini-draft for young top-end talent; trade/FA for need.

[Redleg 37,891]

I'd also happily trade minidraft picks for top end picks this year.

I firmly believe we'd never get equivalent value in terms of mature players, and that we should look for these older players in FA and other trades.

Mini-draft for young top-end talent; trade/FA for need.

If we get them we can choose what we trade them for. If the right players aren't offered up, we get high picks this year.

[Matt Demon 1,387]

This obsession with the priority pick is exactly what's wrong with our club.

[Chook 14,595]

Salary cap concessions should be the equalising measure, because it allows teams who are struggling to get players who know how to lead the club forward. The Suns are doing well now in large part because of Gary Ablett's on-field leadership, which they would never have been able to get without their salary bonus.

The draft should always be run from 18th to 1st, and all other equalising measures should be salary cap concessions.

[Redleg 37,891]

This obsession with the priority pick is exactly what's wrong with our club.

The obsession is with the fans not the players.

It's not what is wrong with the club.

[Machsy 2,858]

This obsession with the priority pick is exactly what's wrong with our club.

It's not an obsession with a priority pick, it's an interest in forward planning, since its one of the few things we as supporters have to look forward to, that will have an influence on the club's success.

Our season is pretty much over, bar the opportunity for development.

The fact our season is pretty much over is exactly what's wrong with our club.

Don't confuse the interests and fantasising of supporters as being inherent within club culture.

It could've been the problem in recent history though, as I consider Schwab to have been a supporter who held an integral position at the club, not being able to help himself getting involved where his capabilities and title dictate that he shouldn't.

Not an issue now though, since he is gone.

[The Song Formerly Known As 6,479]

WE NEED SOMETHING!!!!

[praha 10,294]

Geelong's highest pick in 17 years in pick 7. You all heard that stat yesterday.

The priority pick is condescending, pointless and anti-competitive. It is going to put this team in no better position in 5 years than not having it would.

[Redleg 37,891]

Geelong's highest pick in 17 years in pick 7. You all heard that stat yesterday.

The priority pick is condescending, pointless and anti-competitive. It is going to put this team in no better position in 5 years than not having it would.

So you think getting say Boyd as a bonus pick, will have no effect on us in 5 years, when he is 23 with 100 games under his belt?

I wonder why so many clubs think so differently to you.

[mjt 640]

Geelong's highest pick in 17 years in pick 7. You all heard that stat yesterday.

The priority pick is condescending, pointless and anti-competitive. It is going to put this team in no better position in 5 years than not having it would.

Its not pointless if we trade for an established player, thats the only reason why we never climbed the ladder, after Strauss 17 and Blease pick 19 where targeted picks like Tapscott and Gysberts shouldv been traded for established players, theres no point getting another kid.

[mjt 640]

WE NEED SOMETHING!!!!

And we will get it, we the supporters deserve it and the AFL knows it, you think there going to give us a multi million dollar bail out without draft assistance, i dont.

[Machsy 2,858]

Geelong's highest pick in 17 years in pick 7. You all heard that stat yesterday.

The priority pick is condescending, pointless and anti-competitive. It is going to put this team in no better position in 5 years than not having it would.

It's not the answer, but when you find the answer, it makes your ascension up the ladder that much greater.

[mjt 640]

It's not the answer, but when you find the answer, it makes your ascension up the ladder that much greater.

The answers to trade IT.

[Machsy 2,858]

No, it's not.

[mjt 640]

No, it's not.

We got another DR Who on our hands.